Could Karen White Be Transferred Back to a Women's Prison? Yes

2015 Dr. James Barrett, President of the British Association of Gender Identity Specialists evidence to Maria Miller MP & the Women & Equalities Transgender Equality Inquiry:
"...the ever-increasing tide of referrals of patients in prison serving long or indeterminate sentences for serious sexual offences. These vastly outnumber the number of prisoners incarcerated for more ordinary, non-sexual, offences. It has been rather naïvely suggested that nobody would seek to pretend transsexual status in prison if this were not actually the case. There are, to those of us who actually interview the prisoners, in fact very many reasons why people might pretend this. These vary from the opportunity to have trips out of prison through to a desire for a transfer to the female estate (to the same prison as a co-defendant) through to the idea that a parole board will perceive somebody who is female as being less dangerous through to a [false] belief that hormone treatment will actually render one less dangerous through to wanting a special or protected status within the prison system"

data.parliament.uk/writtenevidence/committeeevidence.svc/evidencedocument/women-and-equalities-committee/transgender-equality/written/19532.pdf

Exactly Melamim. When this issue is raised you just get accused of judging the whole trans community by a few 'bad apples', as if we should ignore them and pretend all trans people are like their Auntie Jan who transitioned quietly in 1970, or their sweet little 10 year niece/nephew.
No, sorry people, life doesn't work that way.

I have also been reading that a committee sits every three months to evaluate trans programme in prison, and there are no representatives on it to make the women's case.

Here is the email to let them know your thoughts on that!

mailto:[email protected]

Sorry to plop in here. I've seen reference that KW was responsible for 20% of (sex?) assaults in 2017 in the female prison estate.

Can anyone reference stats for assaults in the female prison estate. I know I have seen it somewhere but can't find it now. Want to counter the inevitable "cis women" commit assaults in prison too.

sarah. I would be muddled and angry too.

I don't think people have really taken on board what self-id would entail. They think that there will be some embarrassed discomfort which they should either get over and not be a bigot, or quietly avoid.

What it means is that there would be no legal way of keeping women safe in these situations. This has been totally disregarded in the Maria Miller report. There need to be ways of overriding the GRA and rescinding GRCs, even with the current system.

What is being proposed is so ridiculous, and the downsides so obvious, that people are not seeing them, and not addressing them.

Just been discussed on Jeremy Vine. Bobby from Towie representing the intellect, logic and reasoning skills of the average trans ally. Some people do think ‘Karen’ should be in a women’s prison. Most GC comment Jennie Bond, no one with tackle should be in a women’s prison. Caller told Jeremy Vine off for calling ‘Karen’ ‘she’. Jeremy said it’s policy. Jeremy’s facial expressions largely indicating he thinks this planet is batshit.

to Sarah and any other person who has suffered at this man's hands.
Has Stonewall made any statement on this case yet (or any of the other sex offenders/rapists who ID as women?
They must know that they cannot and will not win over public opinion until they boot this faction out of their campaign. It just isn't going to happen.

No one has yet said KW should be in a women's prison & there's a lot of comments

Jeremy is definitely GC and struggling with a panel/callers that are mostly saying TWAW

There has been dead naming of Karen White all over the media.

It's outrageous that KW could be transferred to a woman's prison. Have they considered KW's safety amongst women, after all they are many and KW is one????

Surely a third space is necessary.

Sarah

Wishing you a better night's sleep tonight.

Thanks for the clarification pastabest I'll catch up later.

SarahjConnor
Your anger is entirely justified.
to you

Gaslighting victims by saying a male rapist is a woman in court is state sponsored victim abuse.

YES!

I'm sorry to hear that you are being traumatised by this reporting. Hopefully, all the hard work done by thousands of women throughout the country will ensure that self-id doesn't happen and that prisons change the policy.

SarahjConnor

He's on the telly (c5) at 10.15

On now, they just dead named KW. Twice

Jeremy Vine starts at 12.00pm.

Karen White has really captured the interest of the media.

Good. I am waiting for the allies to chime in with their support.

Jeremy Vine isn't on at 10.15! It's lovely Ken Bruce: do you mean 12.15?

I don’t understand why there’s even a question that a convicted rapist would be given any non-essential medical treatment?! He should not be allowed to continue his transition in prison.