Nicola Williams on Talk Radio with Julia HB at 9.30am

Which I know to be true because I’ve asked- my husband does not want to get changed with transmen at all.

I asked some utter MRA bloke that I know, and his response was that 'false accusations' would increase on the back of female people in male changing rooms and such. Seems even the MRA dickheads have an angle to be against selfID.

(Disclaimer, said dickhead MRA I barely speak to, and this resulted in a huge argument between him and DH about how rare false accusations are mind..I tend to deal with him by eyerolling now as he will never change his views. But that was his immediate thought.)

But I reckon in all this talk about unisex loos and what have you that no-one cares about our senior citizens of either sex

NOBODY ever cares about the elderly. My 71 year old Mum, an abuse survivor, would be horrified if she had to be exposed to males in this way.

Yes RiverTam. I was once helping a male relative in the men's changing room at M&S, I think it was (so both men's and women's changing rooms). I was stood outside one of the cubicles and a bloke came in, he thought it was the women's and I explained what I was doing but he was clearly uncomfortable. Fortunately we were about to leave but if not he was going to turn and go out again. I didn't anything of it at the time, but now it makes me think.

I've told this before but worth repeating:

I was once at the theatre with DD and DH, predominantly female audience. Huge queue for the ladies so I sent DH into the gents to see if it was empty and had cubicles (performance due to start v soon). It was and there were so me and DD nipped in, and I realised there was another woman and child in the other cubicle.

When we came out there was quite a queue of women and children inside the gents' for these two cubicles. There was also an elderly chap at the urinals. And it was clear from his body language that he was absolutely frozen. He must have come in for a piss and all these women came in after he'd started and now he didn't know what to do.

Now, that was a benign situation caused, of course, by the fact that venues never provide enough women's loos.But I reckon in all this talk about unisex loos and what have you that no-one cares about our senior citizens of either sex.

Which I know to be true because I’ve asked- my husband does not want to get changed with transmen at all.

Neither does my DH. That said, it's more because he has a feeling of not imposing himself, than the apprehension vv of women feeling that someone who might not be acting in good faith is goading/staking a territorial claim/hoping to be challenged in order to bring harassment charges/embodies a physical threat...

Someone mentioned that men aren’t comfortable with all this either. Which I know to be true because I’ve asked- my husband does not want to get changed with transmen at all. I want to hear more of this from men. Not just supporting women, but also can we hear how they feel in mixed sex changing rooms and toilets?

Jeremy Thompson, perhaps?

thanks - I want to find out what exactly that man thinks a man has to do to be an actual rapist, if being found guilty and sentenced to life isn't enough.

I don't know his name. Oldish grey haired white guy, first one on Jeremy Vine's panel to speak.

Countess who was it said 'alleged rapist'? Fucking unbelievable.

To be fair to Jeremy he has retweeted 2 tweets from FPFW.

“1) Prison rules must be revised in light of this case. Serious consideration must be given to a third space option so everyone. Sex separation is a fundamental safeguarding tool that women rely on for safety. Risk assessments are never foolproof as this case highlights.”

“2) These prison rules were devised in 2016 with transgender interest groups acting as external advisers. No one advocating for female offenders was included. Women are stakeholders in this and their interests must be championed too, not demonised.“

JHB has many shortcomings but she completely gets this issue and isn't afraid to shout about it. Good for her. So glad I missed the Jeremy Vine nonsense, he's so awful

It's clear that there is absolutely nothing that could happen now that would shock these people. They know full well what this type of person is like and yet they still make excuses for them.

I am absolutely seething that the first man on the panel to speak referred to white as an 'alleged rapist'.
He was found guilty. He was given a life sentence. How hard is it to admit that some men ACTUALLY RAPE?

Karen White may single handedly blow open this debate
Well, you’d think but the NATALT trope is already well in use, in that linked Twitter feed for instance.

God just watched Jeremy Vine and all I can say is bring back Matthew Wright. The guy's a complete idiot. And who is that really stupid simpering gay guy? Why have they got him on? Can't we just have some panelists with some brains instead of getting people on because of what they look like as I presume that's the only reason he's on there.

God it is so refreshing to see a woman totally hold her ground ^. I mean she is totally right, of course, but still.

Julia HB is on fire on this thread.

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I also like how JHB usually brings up the fact that these policies will make men uncomfortable also. And she is good with illustrating her points by bringing up her concerns over how her husband/child would feel about a mixed-sex space.

There is a weird cultural cognitive dissonance going on at the moment.

On one hand we have the repercussions of the Kavanaugh confirmation and #metoo which centres around believing victims of assault therefore understanding that VAWG is a thing. Yet (largely) the same people are pushing for policies that directly endanger more females.

On the flip side of that much of the pushback is from men now not wanting to work closely with women, be alone with them etc.. because they feel they might be accused of something.

Without going into who is right or wrong in those particular debates these policies also put men in a position via gender neutral spaces and self identity where they are also forced to share intimate spaces with the opposite sex and have no say in it.

I don't know if i've explained that very well but it just seems like in trying to respect everyone's inner feelings we are respecting no ones dignity or autonomy.

It's also going to be discussed on Jeremy Vine at 10.15

Karen White may single handedly blow open this debate, it gives people something rock solid and widely publicised to illustrate their concerns when talking to organisations, MPs, woke bros etc.

I didn't know talk radio was on DAB, I thought it was only in the London

I will seek it out

I suspect that JHB will have me bellowing at the radio a lot of the time, but I do like her

Also digital, not on FM. I mainly listen on digital

Is TalkRadio online only?

I have started listening to Talk Radio on the way to work rather than R4 thanks to JHB. I disagree with her on a lot of things but she isn't afraid of controversy. The BBCs attitude to women's rights on this issue and reluctance to debate the issue or debate it with women in a minority or not there at all sickens me.

I also like how JHB usually brings up the fact that these policies will make men uncomfortable also. And she is good with illustrating her points by bringing up her concerns over how her husband/child would feel about a mixed-sex space.