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Is Caitlin Moran GC?

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ImDivingIn · 11/10/2018 10:14

I’m a big fan of CM. Has she said anything about the GRA? I follow her on Twitter but I can’t recall anything.

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BettyDuMonde · 16/10/2018 11:15

I’m sure CM’s Raised With Wolves sitcom character, Della, would be a total Terfy McTerfface. CM has too many woke B-right-on mates to bust through the cognitive dissonance.

To be fair, it took me ages too.

Fantasisa · 16/10/2018 10:19

Little Pearl, and I bloody love her so I'm so pleased!

IWantMyHatBack · 12/10/2018 00:07

Yeah.. Can't imagine Venger is going to come out as GC anytime soon. Her twitter is very clean.

Shame.

LittlePearl · 11/10/2018 23:57

Glinner, obvs.

LittlePearl · 11/10/2018 23:56

Fantina, I think you're right!

Just looked at her Twitter - retweets of Helen Watts, Glimmer, Frances Barber, Karen White stuff. That's great news.

COME ON all the others......stand up and be counted.

HandsOffMyRights · 11/10/2018 23:25

I agree with Little Pearl.

When I first peaked a few months ago I asked that very same question OP.

I was a huge fan (from West Mids too) and have been underwhelmed by the lack of reaction to this colossal issue.

I get it. I see what happens to Glinner, Moyet and co. But if every female spoke out, if she joined JK Rowling, Jo Brand, India Knight, Mary Beard, Sharon Horgan, Emma Watson, Madonna, Serena Williams (just throwing in examples, I have no idea on some of their stances) then what a united force we'd be.

As it stands, I feel let down.

Fantina · 11/10/2018 23:15

The amazing Amanda Abbington is and now I love her even more.

hipsterfun · 11/10/2018 23:13

Irritating on Naked City back in the day, still irritating now.

From a BuzzFeed article from 2013 Why Feminism Can't Afford To Ignore Transgender Women

Many younger feminists seem to grasp that the movement can't move forward if it ignores trans women's concerns. Caitlin Moran, whose 2012 book How to Be a Woman has already become a central text of a certain strain of feminism (and who has been criticized herself for using the word "tranny"), says, "Someone saying to a transgender woman, 'You're not a proper woman because you weren't physically born a woman' is like someone saying to me that I'm not a proper woman because I've had an abortion, or have a job, or can't walk in heels, or think Ryan Gosling looks like a bit of a donk." She adds, "I think the relationship between feminism and transgender women should be absolutely sympathetic, arms-slung-around-shoulders and all-on-the-same-side. We're all gunning for the same thing — equality, feeling comfortable in our own skin, not automatically cringing or feeling unworthy or 'other.'"

sausagebap · 11/10/2018 21:26

WOAH, why would you THINK caitlyn moran is A NASTY ICKY TRANSPHOBE? That’s for BORING people who don’t like FUN. Stop being MEANIES, girls just wanna have FUN whether they have a WILLY or not!

(in all seriousness, i enjoyed the majority of htbaw; i thought it should have been marketed as an autobiography rather than some sort of feminist polemic.)

Jeanhatchet · 11/10/2018 21:22

So many lolz just reading the title - she blocked me for my views on this in 2014.

Bue · 11/10/2018 19:38

She is going to be covering trans issues in her next book. I imagine it is going to be dedicated to the problems with "white feminism" Hmm and an exercise in self-flagellation

Treasure114 · 11/10/2018 17:19

That Instagram post is vile. And not very feminist!

GoldenBuns · 11/10/2018 14:10

Yup - I unfollowed a couple of weeks back. They have had several articles on trans issues - the comments are always heavily censored. Quite disturbing to see the ones that remained.

Haworthia · 11/10/2018 14:04

The Pool can GTF. I was disillusioned enough with their wokeness, but then they posted this on their Instagram feed and I unfollowed. Because nothing says “feminism” like perpetuating lazy stereotypes about “typical blondes” Hmm

Is Caitlin Moran GC?
GoldenBuns · 11/10/2018 13:52

I have been wondering about India Knight recently - I think she may have shared the Stonewall petition on Twitter. Also some very scathing comments about womxn.

GoldenBuns · 11/10/2018 13:48

I think she may be involved in The Pool (Lauren Laverne, also), which is nauseatingly woke. I don't think she's going to reveal herself as GC any time soon.

Haworthia · 11/10/2018 13:42

HTBAW pissed me off. I was hoping for some real (but accessible) feminism. This was before MN radicalised me, but looking back, I now realise I was looking for radical feminism Grin Instead I found myself thinking “this is just a fucking autobiography”. She tried to weave some feminism in, but it was so feeble.

LassWiADelicateAir · 11/10/2018 13:31

She turned me on to be a feminist really in the first place, so I always have a soft spot for her. She probably has got a lot of people started on the road

I have always found her irritating in the extreme. Just the title How to be a Woman is equal parts twee, grating and patronising.

FreezyBlue · 11/10/2018 13:29

I don’t think anyone who churns out the drivel she does on a weekly basis (never read any of her books for that reason) can be self-doubting or lacking in courage. Which means she probably is keeping her head down until whenever. And whenever ‘whenever’ arrives, she’ll write a pile of rubbish about how yeah, she always knew this was a problem.
Good luck with your career then, Caitlin.

Haworthia · 11/10/2018 13:18

As far as I can see CM has libfem running through her like a stick of rock. If she came out as gender critical I would happily eat my hat, the big furry knitted one with the pom pom ties but I really don't think it's going to happen.

I’m with you terry Grin

SweetheartNeckline · 11/10/2018 13:11

When I went to see her recently she was at pains to mention she is trans inclusive.

AbsintheFriends · 11/10/2018 12:38

I agree LittlePearl.

She prides herself on being a role model to young girls and empowering them. Along with the handsome royalties and media fees comes a shitload of responsibility.

I hope her conscience is bothering her

LittlePearl · 11/10/2018 12:15

I've got very little sympathy for privileged people with a platform who want to 'keep their heads down'.

In terms of her career, actually, it could win her a HUGE audience and a good deal more support if she comes out as GC..... I can't bear her but I might rethink if she had the courage to speak out.

But her 'principals' are not very principled if she knows everything that's happening - and she surely must - and chooses to say nothing.

So much for the Sisterhood......happy to be its champion when it suits her, not when it's costly.

AbsintheFriends · 11/10/2018 11:11

I suspect she is, but she knows that it would be career suicide to say so.

Libfem is her brand. She's made young girls her target audience and she's scared they'd turn on her in a second if she suggested their wokeness was wrong.

I have a feeling she's less active on twitter than she used to be, and fear she's keeping her head down until she sees how this is going to go.

ErrolTheDragon · 11/10/2018 10:39

I didn't manage to get through all of 'how to be a woman' but IIRC there's quite a lot of unashamedly female biology stuff.

And whether she's really GC or not, I don't suppose the TRAs (especially the male 'lesbians') like her 'are you a feminist' test one little bit:

'So here is the quick way of working out if you're a feminist. Put your hand in your pants.

a) Do you have a vagina? and
b) Do you want to be in charge of it?

If you said 'yes' to both, then congratulations! You're a feminist.” '