Womxn controversy on Newsnight

It is sure remarkable, how TRAs always need some human shields to hide behind - intersex people, women of color...

I can only reiterate: People who believe that ‚women‘ does not include human females of color are worse than the KKK.

Respond with "the big one".

From what I can gather this is peaking people everywhere. No one can fail to spot the ludicrousness.

Twitter hilarity with "which man is the woman?"

The absolute worst of this (and lord knows, there's lots to choose from) is the BBC not pulling SC up on the outrageous racism of the definition.

Honestly, this was so ludicrous thhat I can't even get angry. This will certainly have helped to peak-trans a lot of viewers, which makes me think it must have been intentional. No one could possibly have taken that spectacle seriously. Could they?

I do missJeremy Paxman sometimes. Him doing that interview would have been worth watching

Not everyone will get deleted/banned/thumped, though.

Some people are doing the deleting/banning/thumping.

Do those people see or hear a woman when they see or hear Sophie Cook?

MNHQ?

No, they do not. But if they say so they'll get deleted/banned from Twitter/thumped.

SC says feminists invented the word and happily used it - I'd like to see a source for that! Something beyond 'it was invented by some random who id's as a feminist on Tumblr' either - exactly which prominent feminist(s) invented it and how widespread among feminists was its acceptance and usage? Because I've been a radical feminist for a good long while and 'womxn' isn't a word I've used or come across at all, except maybe on 'non binary/genderfluid' tumblr.

Then SC says that 'all of a sudden' feminists find it offensive, which he mocks by saying 'noone' finds it offensive, contradicting SCself in seconds.

Then SC says it's a good word because if you want to exclude men from women then it takes men out of the word, and SC does a duper delight smugface like SC's come up with the world's greatest gotcha. I think SC is trying to appropriate arguments made by some second wave feminists for the word womyn, but SC's interpretation of those arguments amounts to "those feminazis man haters have no right to define themselves or create their own language!".

So basically SC is trying to utilise systemic sexism against women to mock our politics in order to make SC's misogynist point that feminists are all nutters arent they mate, you can't let a woman decide how to describe herself, she'll only get all upset and emotional and make a bloody big mess won't she mate? while SC nudges and winks at the other dude sat next to SC.

And SC sits there doing this while wearing (surprise!) thick glasses and a garden centre dress and over caked makeup and a bloody awful wig, and actual women are expected to be silent about SC's appropriation and misogyny and grotesque pantomiming of who we are.

And while SC sits there mocking and insulting all of us, I have to de-genderise my post about how fucking disgusting SC's actions are, because if I make any reference at all to the sex SC is, I'll be punished.

I mean ffs just fucking LOOK at SC. Just one HONEST look, one HONEST listen. Does anyone see or hear a woman?

Les Dawson popped up inside my head, adjusted his bosoms and refused to leave

But Sophie Cook was nothing special as a man either.

There is something about putting on that frock.

Pips Bunce was a dull married IT man working for a bank, living in the Home Counties. A dress gets him glam photo shoots, industry awards, and a place at the table to discuss safeguarding in the Girls Guides.

What is going on. It’s insanity.

The only people the word 'women' excludes is men like Sophie.

Probably pexk trxns-d a few people though.
Probably a few more when they wake up and find out they've had their Twitter suspended for genuinely asking why there are 2 men talking about this

This is not even a thing!

There is a proper thing going on! Fuck em all.

Yep Needmoresleep.

Oh, and by the way, I also write (on here, and a little bit elsewhere) and have could skew my cv to say I'm a 'broadcaster' like Sophie given my history, so I think I'd qualify for 'writer and broadcaster' status on a Newsnight tweet too.

Though sadly I'm just a woman, not a mxn, so would probably be relegated to 'poster Pombear'.

And for anyone thinking that's an overstatement, see this complementary BBC News article, which relegates every tweeting woman to a tweet, elevating only a queer theorist and the chair of Trans Media Watch to offically comment on the 'womxn' debate.

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-45810709

Agree Pombear. Till 2015 Sophie Cook was a pretty ordinary middle aged bloke, with a job as a photographer with a Championship football club and a bit of a chequered financial history.

The sort of bloke who would only get his opinions listened to down the pub if everyone had necked at least a couple of sherberts.

Come out as trans and hey presto. Appearances on Newsnight, Jo Cox leadership programme, and a Labour candidate.

Why?

I can tell you that I'm currently feeling a great deal less kind than I was before I watched that clip.

'Well although yeah, if you - if you use women that includes transwomen it includes everyone who defines ... so, urm ... you'd think that was safe in a sense that people who are not defined in that way wouldn't define themselves that way and therefore they wouldn't worry about the use of the word women spelt conventionally.'

'Or am I missing something?'

We've got 9 days left to do the consultation and this is the standard of BBC coverage.

What an absolute fucking disgrace.

The idea that women of color aren't women is fucking outrageous, and is increasingly put forward by middle ages white males as a reason why we have to accept the nonsense they're selling it.

Not having it, mate.

Oh, and I'd completely forgotten that this is the same Sophie Cook who recently flounced out of hustings and left the Labour Party when local party members refused to nominate them for the candidacy, despite the National Executive Committee trying to force them through.

Due to financial irregularites in company dealings in the past, if I recall.

There's a pic of Cook with Corbyn where Cook's head looks as if it's twice the size of Corbyn's. Corbyn is not a small man...

As usual Twitter thinks it's bollocks, or possibly bxllxs.

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I was guffawing with laughter watching that clip with the fawning male interviewer speaking so gently to the stunning and brave womxn. Sophie Cook looks very different in video compared to the carefully posed and photo shopped pictures I've seen elsewhere. Les Dawson popped up inside my head, adjusted his bosoms and refused to leave.

If they'd promise to stop claiming to be women, and flaunting their racism (as if black women have ever not been women) I'd happily repeat the mantra that transwomxn are womxn as required, and gladly include all those other blue haired womxn in alongside them.

Favourite tweet so far - "When you have lost control of your vowels."

Women excludes women of colour?. Straight up RACIST as fuck. What am I ? A figment of my own fucking imagination?

These utter tools are just trolling the fuck out of us now aren't they?