Womxn controversy on Newsnight

Racist middle aged white men. Oh what a surprise.
I have no regard for the BBC anymore, they can go fuck themselves.

Am I being thick? Since when did 'woman' exclude anyone but men?

^^This

I like the term 'womxyn'

Complained as well thank you for the link. It was difficult to decide which category to put the complaint unde - bias, quality if presentation.

As far as I'm concerned, transwomen can have 'womxyn' if they want (and transmen 'mxxn'
That way the rest of the world can carry on with the objective fact & reality of Woman = female, Man = male.

HandsOff, I wonder if that descion was made by the same person who binned the piece, which proved Jimmy Saville was a peodophile?

Don't forget that Girlguiding's Helen recorded an interview with Newsnight that was never aired. Why?

Welcome to Gillead and tonight on Newsnight we have ....

2 men discussing the Tampax Tax, the menoupause, childbirth, GGing, netball, hysterectomies, and the meaning of “women”.

"Rosie O-Grady and the captain's lady are sisters under the skin"

Sophie Cook, on the other hand, is nobody's sister and never will be.

Women includes:
Black women,White women,Any other colour women
Tall women,Short women
Thin women,Fat women
Daft women,Clever women
Young women,Old women,Middle aged women
Impoverished women,Middle income women,Filthy rich women
Working class women, middle class women, upper class women - Ladies!
Right wing women, left wing women, centrist women, apolitical women
Women with children, women with none.

Don't forget angry and disobedient women.

Am I being thick? Since when did 'woman' exclude anyone but men? Jesus shitting Christ, I feel like I'm in an episode of doctor who or something.

I too do not think it is any coinicidence that woman = adult human female scored lots of positive points, ergo we will just have to get rid of the word woman.

Not sure that made much sense, but the timing of this bollocks is no coincidence, full on erasure of women.

As an aside, young lad on my facebook yesterday posted womxn!! Bollox! So not all the young uns are woke dude bros.

I haven't watched the newsnight piece as my blood pressure is already sky high from reading this thread.

But WTAF is this womxn nonsense? Since when have women of colour objected to women or womyn? I'd be only too pleased if some helpful trans activist could tell me as I'm genuinely confused because I don't think I have ever seen that anywhere.

And while I'm at it can someone enlighten me on how to pronounce "womxn", that number of vowels in a row just doesn't trip off the tongue.

Or is the point that it becomes literally impossible to talk about the people formerly known as women. Because talking about women is literal violence and exclusionary?

The debacle is covered in The Times this morning - unfortunately not Newsnights exacerbation of it (yet):

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/museum-workshop-for-womxn-backfires-hdn5j6nss?shareToken=d2e1e3f2eb7ea552f4ff32fd99659ff5

And comment by Janice Turner who gets more to the point:

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/now-even-scientists-cannot-say-woman-r99dppr67?shareToken=62279f89adfcd762cde0cb5373860cc7

Let's be honest, trans women don't want to go near the word womyn - not because it excludes trans women - but because if they tried to appropriate the word it doesn't suit their agenda of glossing over the elephant in the room known as a y chromosome. Instead it would have the effect of drawing attention to it.

It's interesting to see the level of understanding how appropriation of a word is being thought out and strategised by seeing how there is a desire to steer clear of womyn and instead attack it as being exclusionary.

It highlights the power of language and how its being manipulated in a certain way by trans activists.

This thread will look like Swiss cheese soon enough (if it escape the chop) which will be something of a travesty given how incredibly exclusionary the entire newsnight segment was last night and how grotesque its overt racism was.

what the hell is the bbc thinking?

"We are so woke, and Twitter will be full of praise for us tomorrow"

Oops!

Alternatively...

"You think we don't know what an elitist, top-down, being imposed upon the people against their will movement this is? Of course we know. Just though that rubbing your faces in it extra obviously would be fun. This is what your license fees are paying for and there's not a damn thing you can do about it."

and yes, someone implying unchallenged that black women aren't women

the level of racism is astonishing

what the hell is the bbc thinking?

They're angry about women with a y: womyn. Saying it excludes...transwomen
Ironic. Seeing that transwomen are ‘women with a y’ (chromosome)

Just watched it on catch up. It just comes across as parody, in more ways that one. There are so many intelligent insightful brilliant feminist women speakers they could have invited to discuss this. I’ve just watched it through twice and still can’t summarise what SC was actually arguing as it was inconsistent and illogical, but seemed to be ‘feminists (who are all white middle class women) are mean’. Never heard that before, better behave ourselves hadn’t we.

I mean ffs just fucking LOOK at SC. Just one HONEST look, one HONEST listen. Does anyone see or hear a woman?

cognitive dissonance can be a serious contributor to mental health issues

i do wonder if that's why some of the 'allies' seem so angry / aggressive

it must be so uncomfortable having to over ride what your brain and eyes are telling you all the time

'Trans women are racist womxn' last nights Newsnight screams loud and clear.

The whole Womxn thing quacks like a white middle class MRA movement which hates women and others people of colour by appropriation and colonisation.

When Lily Madigan did this, the flapping at the backlash was painful. It seems to be a common trope though amongst The Woke Idols. It's trotted out most at the least inclusive universities in the country, which strangely enough are also the most prestigious and where BBC staff are most likely to have attended. It's almost as if The Woke aren't really all that inclusive after all and are a screaming bunch of self appointed, self serving moralising hypocrites who hate it when it's pointed out.

I hope everyone is complaining at just how offensive that section was.

Notably, womxn has been used by women of color to describe themselves - centering the experience of black, indigenous... women.
I very much doubt they ever thought they are not in the category of women, though they would presumably make the point that they are often not heard, therefore womxn.
I wonder what these women have to say about a bloke an a male in a dress, who sees themselves as a womxn, discussing the meaning of womxn and whom the term includes.

113 messages on here at the moment. This is a discussion about the very word we use to describe ourselves.

Anyone want to predict how many deletions there will be?

This feels like a dystopian nightmare in which some women are stopping others speaking truthfully. I really hope all the messages stand.

good grief

i just complained via the bbc website - took about 5 minutes

Complain to the BBC, I did it yesterday over the Thought for the day section in the Today Programme that I heard. Filling in the online complaint form from about 10-15 mins. All data complaining about bias is collated.

I would imagine they are pretending the metro ad doesn't exist. Or at least the smart ones are.

Pink News didn't get the memo...

www.pinknews.co.uk/2018/10/10/metro-newspaper-full-page-ad-attacking-transgender-reforms/