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Womxn controversy on Newsnight

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WTFisawomxn · 10/10/2018 22:37

Watching BBC 2 right now.
Looks like it will come up later in the programme.

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BernardBlacksWineIcelolly · 18/10/2018 13:25

Complain again!!!

Make them admit that either they think humans can change sex OR they just don’t think women’s voices are important

StroppyWoman · 18/10/2018 13:22

I also got that cut and paste miserable excuse for an explanation.
Just made me more cross

BernardBlacksWineIcelolly · 18/10/2018 13:11

Blimey the beeb are catching up maybe?

TwistedStitch · 18/10/2018 13:00

Dr Kathleen Stock on tonight.

mobile.twitter.com/Docstockk/status/1052816622187159553

Charliethefeminist · 18/10/2018 12:54

It's certainly possible to take higher.
Failing to include a woman, and being racist, are unforgiveable.

BernardBlacksWineIcelolly · 18/10/2018 12:51

yeah, I had that bullshit response too

have gone back to them back through their stupid webform, can't reply to the email) to say I still don't understand why they thought it was Ok to discuss the definition of 'woman' without speaking to any actual women.

i mean I suspect they think that we should look at Sophie Cook, over-ride the evidence of our own eyes and think 'woman'. But I want the BBC to admit they think humans can change sex if that's what they're basing editorial decisions on

HandsOffMyRights · 17/10/2018 15:57

Cut and paste. Next!

Seriously, they make out they have had a few concerned responses. Maybe I'll submit an FOI to find out how many. I smell bullshit.

Elephantinacravat · 17/10/2018 15:50

I got the exact same response from the BBC HandsOffMyRights

HandsOffMyRights · 17/10/2018 15:26

Condescending too. Someone's having shits snd giggles at women's expense.

They don't address the elephant in the room.

HandsOffMyRights · 17/10/2018 15:25

Can I escalate this? Not happy. They welcome all views. Just not those of females discussing female issues.

HandsOffMyRights · 17/10/2018 15:23

Also posted on BBC bias thread.

BBC response to my complaint over Sophie Cook and Newsnight.

*We realise you felt it was not appropriate to have Sophie Cook as the sole guest in the section on the Wellcome Collection’s recent treatment of inclusive language.

Sophie Cook was invited to speak as a writer and broadcaster, with experience on the topic of inclusive language. Newsnight welcomes a variety of views and representatives over time. While some may not like what they hear or who offers the opinion, it’s important to consider all perspectives in due time. A broad range of contributors are regularly involved in our items on gender and inclusivity.

Some viewers have expressed concern over her comments on including women of colour, however at this point Sophie was referring to another alternative spelling - ‘womyn’ – and how this was seen by some females to be elitist and exclusive, not ‘women’.*

EmpressAdultHumanFemale · 12/10/2018 18:13

I don't really want to give money to the Fawcett Society after that 50/50 event.

RedToothBrush · 12/10/2018 15:18

www.inhouse-online.com/
Witchy Tshirts from the Fawcett Society if anyone is interested.

Seems to be looking to cash in on the old crone market and potential demand for identifying as an old crone.

RedToothBrush · 12/10/2018 15:08

This.

Would.

Be.

So.

Funny.

If.

They.

Were.

Doing.

The.

Scrutiny.

Bit.

Womxn controversy on Newsnight
R0wantrees · 12/10/2018 12:59

In the USA apparently lots of toilets in offices and things (schools as well?) have massive gaps around the doors that you can see through quite easily.

US case reported this week.
Awful alleged sexual assault of very young girl:
www.westernjournal.com/federal-government-targets-transgender-policy-5-year-old-gets-sexually-assaulted/

Datun · 12/10/2018 12:51

They see anyone over 30 as a bigot who deserves to die of hypothermia.

🤣

misscockerspaniel · 12/10/2018 12:42

Has anybody made a complaint about this racist misogynist Newsnight programme to the BBC1 programme Points of View?

WhatTheWatersShowedMe · 12/10/2018 11:07

I've complained to the BBC on this today. Highly sexist and racist.

breastfeedingclownfish · 12/10/2018 10:41

"At a certain point you realize that attempting to reason or negotiate with people like that is pointless, and the only option is a hard no. "

This^

Stop being nice and just say no.

And that's what men would do

NothingOnTellyAgain · 12/10/2018 10:17

In the USA apparently lots of toilets in offices and things (schools as well?) have massive gaps around the doors that you can see through quite easily.

I have no idea why.

This explains why "bathrooms" are such a big deal in USA for lots of women > there is much less privacy already.

Conversely, there seems to be a lack of understandign that in teh UK many womens and girls changing rooms in shops have flamsy curtains that often don't close properly so people can see in. You get "why do you care when you're locked behind a door????". A lot seems to be based in assumptions on the people talking that their experience is universal, and anyone who says different is lying for some reason.

Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm where have I heard that before Grin

NothingOnTellyAgain · 12/10/2018 10:14

"Bathroom"

It's a fucking TOILET the BOG the LADIES etc

When we say BATHROOM we mean ROOM WITH A BATH OR AT THE VERY LEAST A SHOWER.

The fact that it all sounds so american kind of signals it's all coming from a playbook.

NothingOnTellyAgain · 12/10/2018 10:13

"Women of colour" is a USA term itself that all the TAs use.

I know the USA is big on cultural hegemony but this is getting silly.

rightreckoner · 12/10/2018 10:11

Ditto watermelons. Watermelons signify nothing here but watermelons.

AspieAndProud · 12/10/2018 09:58

Also a weird thing whereby things that are relevant to USA are somehow deemed to be universal experience which is bizarre.

Yes, I noticed that wearing sombreros is held as amongst the most heinous forms of ‘cultural appropriation’ by many student bodies - Mexicans being such a hugely persecuted minority in the UK.

AspieAndProud · 12/10/2018 09:55

Note none of these groups have included "elderly women" in their "types of women" lists EVER that I have seen.

They see anyone over 30 as a bigot who deserves to die of hypothermia.