My MP thinks self ID is ridiculous

I've emailed my MP about the meeting and waiting to hear.

He is a very Right-wing Tory but also quite a rebel at times and really just does his own thing. It's a very safe seat, so he doesn't have to worry about votes. I can't imagine that he will be impressed by the idea of self-ID but then again, he may come from an MRA angle and think women shouldn't have any rights. Time will tell...

uneasy though that our support may be coming from the same school of thought that can't accept gay/lesbian/bi sexuality

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Ah - of course it is. Men can trample all over women's spaces - but it can't possibly go the other way.

It's so blatant how sexist it all is that anything who can't see it is a fool.

am liking Pope Benedict
uneasy though that our support may be coming from the same school of thought that can't accept gay/lesbian/bi sexuality
the record from Hansard was interesting, about GRA being a way of preventing gay marriage- although why they thought eg 2 gay men who wanted to marry would see one of them 'becoming' a woman as a solution- can you imagine that conversation?
When we talk to the general public about this I worry too that we are trading on an instinctive disgust- ewww, men in frocks- that is only a step removed from disgust at the thought of homosexuality. In my mind there is a very clear distinction but it weakens our position if we can easily be smeared as trading on homophobia.
I feel like starting all conversations with
actually, some of my best friends are lesbians....
(I don't)

Ah - of course it is. Men can trample all over women's spaces - but it can't possibly go the other way.

In Ireland the priesthood is exempt from self Id. I heard it on the guilty feminist.

Of course it is. As is primogeniture. Anything that affects actual MEN will be excluded.

In Ireland the priesthood is exempt from self Id. I heard it on the guilty feminist.

That’s fascinating - I had never considered the impact on the catholic church for self ID. All those female-born bishops!

great letter - thanks for posting this (and for writing to your MP!)

The tories won't deal GRA for brexit. It's not on the same level.

It has to get through the lords too.

What we need is an amendment that means that inheritance of titles is allowed for trans people. The lords would block it then.

My fear is that the Tories, desperate for Labour support on Brexit, do a deal.

Which means that if the government decide to press on with this they will only get it through because of opposition support.

I’m not sure enough MPs would be convinced, even then.

Well done OP.

Being realistic, just about any proposed law change in this area that can be spun as "pro-trans"* will be supported by Labour, the SNP, the LibDems, and "we don't want to be meanies" Conservatives. It would most likely pass the House of Commons.

• For example beneficial to those without gender dysphoria but detrimental to those with.

I've said this before but will say it again - I'm a leftie from a family of Labour voters, my dad is a former union man, so are some of my uncles, and even so, I would hold my nose and vote Tory if I had to if they promised to stop this madness.

Now think how many people from the middle of the political spectrum they could pick up votes from if they showed some backbone on this issue.

Labour - you should be ashamed of yourselves, and will have to work hard to make women forgive the extent to which you've betrayed us over this issue. If you want women's votes, earn them.

I honestly don’t think the tories are stupid enough to push self ID through. Tories objected to the original GRA, foreseeing many of the issues we’re facing today. Labour passed it anyway, despite having all the problems pointed out to them. They should beat labour to death with that fact.

So we now have quite a number of Tory MPs saying they think self ID is a pile of crock.

Which means that if the government decide to press on with this they will only get it through because of opposition support.

Labour are digging in their heels over every other area of politics and taking every opportunity they possibly can as a victory to embarrass the government.

Yet when it comes to self ID, you can bet they'll be storming the chamber to vote with the government. And the government will be smirking going 'look how woke we are! We support Womxn of all kinds. We destroyed women to do it, but go us'.

Well done OP! What did you say in your letter? It clearly impressed him.

Ah, the one I’m thinking of isn’t rural. He has a very similar outlook; obviously there are lots of lovely fountain pens in HoC! 😁

Pope Benedict - we are moving towards a dictatorship of relativism which does not recognise anything as definitive and has its highest values in one's own ego and one's own desires.

Looks like the pope can see PoMo/Queer Theory bs for what it is.

I never thought I'd see the day where I'm mouthing " goan yersel'!!!" to something the Pope said

I think I’ve worked for him 😄

Yes please do not name.

I wouldn’t name on here but contact WPUK and/or FPFW and let them know.