Implications of the Irish gay cake ruling

Turph, I agree.

It's the Oppression Olympics, which is held the week before, after and during the Virtue Signalling Olympics, which are held 52 weeks a year.

And, because it's inclusive, everyone gets a gold medal.

Turph, I would like to metaphorically marry you at this point.

It's just bullying with the law behind you. Like suing a waxing salon for not waxing your ladyballs. Or a rape shelter for not validating your ladyness. "Do what I want or I'll sue you."
Top Trumps of protected characteristics. Gay trumps Christian. Trans trumps gay. Trans trumps female but gay doesn't trump female. I could go on but I won't. It's just bullying. It must seem fine if your team are winning at Top Trumps but you never know when someone more oppressed than you will come and nick that top spot. Of course, if you're not on top it seems you can be relabelled as a literal Nazi, which is always amusing.

*They lost the moral high ground when they picked on people for their beliefs. Loads of violent, aggressive shits hurt and harm others, why not pick on them! They made it about cake IMHO. Buying a cake and demanding it say what you want isn't a human rights issue!

In parts of Africa gay men and lesbians are murdered and subject to so called ' corrective rape'. Had they taken on those fuckers or their supporters I think we would have been behind them 100%.*

This with bells on it.

And in other news many gay people are appallingly treated around the world while in the UK some people want to practise mind control.

BoomTish yeah because nothing says equality like running people out of business!

Hush up now, DisrespectedAdultFemoan, or you’ll sour the buttercream.

Incidentally, when a cafe in Dublin refused to make a cake for a gay couple several years ago, they were run out of business.

Hopefully, the UK will catch-up on equality soon.

And continues.

Stupidity: it's the gift that keeps giving.

It IS discriminatory, what if they refused to bake a cake for an interracial couple ? No difference at all

And the stupidity begins.

I’ve asked if hq could change the title. They haven’t replied

Same.

Incidentally, when a cafe in Dublin refused to make a cake for a gay couple several years ago, they were run out of business.

Hopefully, the UK will catch-up on equality soon.

So apparently Mr Lee is considering an appeal to the European Court FGS

I’ve asked if hq could change the title. They haven’t replied.

“Irish” gay cake ruling?

This happened in the UK, not in Ireland. Gay marriage is legal in Ireland, but not in all of the UK.

(And other countries too of course.)

Imnobody4 it's about balance of power. Who has it. How they use it.

LGBT as a loose 'organisation- will probity eat itself. IMHO.

Fair and equal rights are the way to go. I don't force you to bake a cake in favour of same sex marriage. You (hypothetical you) don't force me to bake a cake against same sex marriage.

They lost the moral high ground when they picked on people for their beliefs. Loads of violent, aggressive shits hurt and harm others, why not pick on them! They made it about cake IMHO. Buying a cake and demanding it say what you want isn't a human rights issue!

In parts of Africa gay men and lesbians are murdered and subject to so called ' corrective rape'. Had they taken on those fuckers or their supporters I think we would have been behind them 100%.

I don't understand how and when LBGT movement became so intolerant and authoritarian. There still is discrimination but the way activists are behaving they'll end up with a backlash.

Why did any of the parties go to court?

Oh dear me. Ashers were dragged into court by Gareth Lee. They had no choice in the matter.

treaclesoda 100% agree. "Personally I think the verdict was sensible."

And

"... I would hate to think that someone could walk into a bakery owned by a gay couple and demand that they ice a cake with something like 'homosexuality is evil'.

No business or individual should be forces to do this but it's probably happened plenty. This case stood out because they refused to be bullied.

The idea that homophobia is not writing a message in icing is so far removed from the real meaning, which is why we have ended up where we are!

Live and let live means freedom for gay people and for people not to have to agree with everyone else all the time.

spannablue "Why aren't you all lamenting the conflict and offering ways forward (eg getting the Christian LGBT org Open Table involved to mediate)."

Why aren't you?

I'm a Christian and pro same sex marriage. But it's not my place to ram my views down anyone's throat.

If some Christians don't approve of same sex marriage that is their business.

It wasn't a wedding cake. I think there are bigger issues for humanity than every one getting on board and agreeing on this one issue.

I was very pro same sex marriage but as time goes on I do see how the church (in some quarters) has been bullied. I don't feel too bad as 'the church' has done its fair share of bullying.

But I do care about individual people and you won't change minds and hearts with forcing views on to others.

In the church issues around same sex marriage have come on in leaps and bounds (thankfully).

This cake crap has actually been hugely detrimental to this, IMHO.

Ashers were in a no win situation the moment the cake was ordered. They were widely known to be a Christian business. If they had produced the cake word would have got out, as it always does in a small place like N Ireland, and people would have been gleefully bashing them for their money grabbing hypocrisy. They refused the cake and found themselves in court.

Personally I think the verdict was sensible. They didn't refuse to serve the customer because he was gay (he said himself that they had served him in the past) they just refused to make that particular cake. I think that's fine, partly because I would hate to think that someone could walk into a bakery owned by a gay couple and demand that they ice a cake with something like 'homosexuality is evil'.

One might have thought the fact Peter Tatchell has supported Ashers from the outset might have given pause for thought.

Tatchell is a brave man of great integrity who has been speaking out on gay rights and human rights for decades. He has put himself at risk of violence (the real kind- not the "literal violence" some social justice warriors witter on about , misunderstanding both words)

He has been pilloried in the press and by opponents (Simon Hughes and the Lib Dems should forever be ashamed of the Bermondsey campaign). I can't think of a more reliable person to determine that the decision was not only correct in law but ethically and philosophically correct.

Yeah, cos Peter Tatchell is definitely ‘coming for gay rights’ next. He wants to see his whole life’s work, for which he has been beaten and vilified for decades, go up in smoke. FFS.

I don’t understand how a company that is a legal fiction and not an actual person can have a conscience and claim freedom of religion.

All this sort of thread does is convince me further that when people stop coming for trans rights they'll start coming for gay rights. What if it said 'fight Islamophobia' or 'support rights for people with disabilities'? So what if they gave them a cake and a tube of icing? So what if it was a set up?So what if the judgment was legally right? It's just a legal construction of logic. Conflict was the only winner. It's the grey areas that matter. Why did any of the parties go to court? Why did newspapers wind people up against each other? Why aren't you all lamenting the conflict and offering ways forward (eg getting the Christian LGBT org Open Table involved to mediate).

The title,is,wrong. It happened in Northern Ireland, under the Uk legal system.