Women's place in the House of Lords right now

I was chuffed to see that Parliament welcomed WPUK with this banner.

How ironic that while Parliament was reaching out to a women's organisation, a media company in Edinburgh was removing Adult Human Female banners from buses.

Once again the company had accepted the lie that a women's organisation is a hate group.

Brilliantly done, sisters. Now for the Commons.

(Which will be much harder, because they all seem to think Twitter = public opinion and that if they don't go along with the nonsense they'll lose their positions.)

The woman I saw in the street from FPFW was calm, sensible, rational and friendly. If I had not come across any of this “debate” I would have been very convinced by what she was saying. As it seems many others are.

TRAs wouldn’t go out and do the grafting but imagine if they did? They’d be hectoring and bullshitting and working against themselves.

The Whole World is Watching!

Thank you

(PS. is "peer" the same as pee-er?)

Wow! Absolutely epic that you guys are there!

It's been amazing.

The meeting with peers showed the crucial importance of talking to people in real life. They may have read the GC articles in the newspapers, but the face-to-face contact took their understanding to another level.

While well-informed women have been on the streets, handing out leaflets and talking, TRAs have been floundering and harrumphing desperately on social media.

The Transgender organisations and lobbyists are in hiding, unwilling and unable to make a case. Yet, 12 short months ago they enjoyed exclusive rights to advise government departments and had access to the corridors of power.

There has been a shift, but there's still a mountain to climb.

Note to self: order more leaflets; ramp up the volume

Great stuff! Thanks WPUK and Baroness Winterbourne.

Lewis Moonie - Baron Moonie - is another member of the HOL who is very gender-critical on Twitter.

Fantastic! Well done WPUK.

Good stuff!

theOtherPamAyres wrote: They were referring to the way the Womens and Equality Parliamentary Committee took written and oral evidence in 2016/2017 - prior to the publication of their recommendations.

Thank you - that wasn't clear to me from the sequence of tweets as I can't see a reference to that there. However, if they're complaining about the Miller consultation, I'd wholly support them as the selection of 'experts' and quality of evidence was a mockery of any rigour.

captainkirk -I was just thinking the same

Ah thanks - I thought it referred to that consultation at the time it was tweeted, but when you look at the tweet on its own, it is not so certain.

Was it raised that children are being encouraged to fill it in?

OK, I'm a little concerned about this tweet:

They were referring to the way the Womens and Equality Parliamentary Committee took written and oral evidence in 2016/2017 - prior to the publication of their recommendations.

In other words, the speaker was not referring to the consultation exercise happening until 19th October. They were talking about how the W&E parliamentary Committee came up with their recommendations, prior to the consultation exercise.

I didn't think they were complaining about WPUK but about the quality of the submissions so far - but, without an identified speaker, and without saying if they mean evidence from organisations and/or individuals, it's pretty unhelpful.

I see what's happened I think, the hashtag at the bottom is who it's for, they are not complaining about WPUK's evidence but that the GRA consultation has been set up by a group with an agenda.

Will there be any kind of report or minutes from the meeting published? I would like to show them to my MP.

To me, normally, if I give references or evidence, it's to research papers, systematic reviews, official sources of data/statistics etc.

I'm responding to this consultation as an individual. For once, I'm not expecting to provide a reference for every statement nor to back up my discussion of various scenarios. E.g., I'd like to discuss the number of transgender prisoners who might need to be transferred to female prison estate if Self-ID becomes more popular, but those statistics don't exist as the MoJ doesn't collect them.

arranfan - can you explain a bit further?

OK, I'm a little concerned about this tweet:

A lot of ‘evidence’ that is being referred to in relation to #GRAconsultation is poorly sourced, referenced, constructed. It is circular and produced by people with a specific agenda #WPUKintheHouse

twitter.com/Womans_Place_UK/status/1050043036741365761

Do they want to hear from ordinary women, or not?

And, I blame the shoddy EHRC guidance on making it difficult to give references and evidence that withstands scrutiny.

I wonder what will happen now.

It looks like Their Lordships were left in no doubt of the mismanagement of the Reform of the GRA by the Women's & Equalities Committee:

• the deliberate suppressing written evidence from women's organisations
• the reliance on half-arsed research from dubious sources
• the significance and weight given to a lobby group with a particular agenda
• the design of consultation instrument that gave rise to suspicion about whether the Parliamentary Committee was putting even more hurdles in the way of women's voices.

Fingers are pointing in the direction of the people who were supposedly looking out for women, but who were acting against their interests all along.

Shame on them.

Well done, and thank you.

More balls than Millwall.