Dawn Butler, Shadow MP for WOMEN, has doubled down on her hatred.

I never thought Dawn Butler was the sharpest tool in the box but, even so, my main take away from all this consorting with and sucking up to ten-a-penny misogynists is that she is even more dense than I thought.

A year ago I would have said I would only ever consider voting for the Green Party or Labour. I felt at home with both parties in many ways and did bits here and there to support them.

Absolutely no way will I vote for either ever again unless they shift positions very dramatically in the future.

I feel so betrayed and let down. Dawn Butler would rather listen to Jane Fae and Dr Harrop than women? Where is her integrity? Where is her concern for her own sex.

I am extremely angry. Because I am female my anger isn't a threatening or dangerous thing. But it still has meaning and it's not going anywhere anytime soon.

I think that thread compiled by Joss Prior does a brilliant job of showing ordinary people that what he calls transphobia everyone else calls basic common sense.

BitterAndOnlySlightlyTwisted

I got the exact same email. Clearly cut-and-paste job for anyone bringing this up. Didn't address my points including Harrop using the response as some sort of 'evidence' of Dawn's views towards FPFW.

It is clear that Butler does not believe that TWAW, as she exhibits a deep misogyny towards women, but not trans-women.

Sorry. I am a good person. I work hard, pay my taxes, look after my mother with dementia, volunteer in the community, have raised two nice children am generally a supportive friend, and do my best to contribute to society.

Yet this counts for nothing. She is not interested in my views, or in listening to people who represent my views. All I really want is proportionality. I do not want girls, minority groups and the vulnerable to lose important protections.

Why is this hate? Why do the views of Dr Adrian, Lily M, Jess, Pips Bunce and Susan Green carry so much more weight than mine? Or than the millions of other decent women working hard to work, raise children and lead ordinary constructive lives.

I find the arrogance breathtaking.

Prior's comments are fascinating, to be very upset that women are not watching gardening programmes and instead are commenting on the implications of mainstreaming fetish is illuminating. We apparantly have to have our subject matter for discussion restricted to topics that are considered suitable for ladies.

How Victorian.

I'm having a fun email convo with James. He's digging himself a bit of a hole, claims to have not know anything about Adrain and they can't possibly check out the Twitter presence of everyone who gets in touch, and yet is happy to keep on responding to me, the eegit. I'm not even a constituent!

More prior

"they don't really take to foreigners.... and I'm afraid anyone outside of their postcode is usually deemed as such."

I think this is about WEP members, and being upset about "non binary" being used by those that have not had special permission to by the language police

Prior comments....

Mostly boredom, and bitterness at the the downward trend of gardening programmes on TV, which has left a vitriolic angst-ridden void, they distract themselves from by being meddle-aged edge-lords on twitter and attacking people a fraction of their age in return for Mumsnet kudos

Dawn Butler and Lily Madigan in key women representing positions represent why the Labour Party has totally failed women!

This is all rampant and virulent transphobia according to Prior.
It's all blunt and direct but it's all true. It would appear men want legislation to make it illegal to say something a man doesn't agree with.

threadreaderapp.com/thread/1047069698595205120.html

only people prepared to save her from the ducking stool will be radfems.

Yeah, maybe.

Does she not realise that once she has outlived her usefulness to the Adrians of the world, she’ll be painted as a terf and expected to stfu with all the rest of the vagina bearers or whatever horrendous name will be given to the ones that do the shit work and bear children.

This. At some point, Dawn Butler will make a minor mistake in language or express an opinion that doesn’t align with wherever the goal posts are on that particular day, and the only people prepared to save her from the ducking stool will be radfems.

Dawn Butlers office tells Bitter (a constituent?) that she ‘is unable to attend’ but tells Harrop (not in her constituency) that she ‘is having no involvement with this meeting.’

Not quite the same thing.
At least have the intelligence or the courtesy to get your story straight, Dawn Butler. Words matter.

We are happy to engage with reasonable concerns but the answer should never be to automatically exclude trans people."

As Redkey says this is ambiguous and female spaces would not exclude females who identify as transmen. My understanding though is however that current law does allow in some situations the exclusion of males, including those transwomen with GRC?

Sorry ‘automatically exclude males’

This is interesting:

"We continue to recognise the importance of women-only spaces. We would seek to ensure that the government implement comprehensive policies and guidance to ensure the safety of women in female only spaces. We are happy to engage with reasonable concerns but the answer should never be to automatically exclude trans people."

No one is advocating for trans people who are female to be excluded from female spaces. Is what they mean to say ‘the answer should never be to exclude males’

Yes, that was it. Really bad!

Following the meeting with Dawn names of individual women were leaked to Pink News.

womansplaceuk.org/statement-on-meeting-with-dawn-butler/

"I can confirm that Dawn has met with Women’s Place UK in the past, earlier this year to be exact, and other women’s groups who have voiced their concerns to proposed changes to the GRA."

Didn't something happen when Dawn Butler met with women earlier in the year?
I have a memory of something bad....

I'm writing to Dawn Butler. Can anyone inform me what the meeting is on October 16th?

Details on Fairplay 4 Women
Its an open meeting for MPS to meet with FP4W, WPUK and TransgenderTRend.

THere's a thread asking people to invite their MPs.

Here you go cingolimama -

Meeting: How will changes to the Gender Recognition Act affect women’s rights? Tuesday 16th October 2018 at 10:30am until 12:30pm in Room S, House of Commons

Thread about it here - www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3386544-Fair-Play-For-Women-meeting-MPs-at-House-of-Common-on-16th-October

This is the response I received back from Dawn Butler's office:

"Dear XXXXX",

"Thank you for your email."

"I can confirm that Dawn has met with Women’s Place UK in the past, earlier this year to be exact, and other women’s groups who have voiced their concerns to proposed changes to the GRA."

"Just because Dawn is unable to attend this meeting it does not mean that she has not considered all the wide ranging views on this issue, and she continues to do."

"We continue to recognise the importance of women-only spaces. We would seek to ensure that the government implement comprehensive policies and guidance to ensure the safety of women in female only spaces. We are happy to engage with reasonable concerns but the answer should never be to automatically exclude trans people."

Unfortunately MY reasonable concern is to automatically exclude male people. The hell with every single one of them in female spaces.

Does anyone know whether Dawn really has met with WPUK, not that they are the same thing as FPFW?

I'm writing to Dawn Butler. Can anyone inform me what the meeting is on October 16th?