Definition of man and woman used in the GRA consultation

I would argue that anyone who cannot define the terms they are using is actually being bloody unhelpful.

You, notveryblissful, have refused to share your supposed enlightened understanding of these topics with some of your own definitions, despite our OP and other posters requesting this.

So go on then.

Be crystal clear, for each term, like you are explaining to children, as that's clearly how intelligent you think we are. I would argue that your apparent assumption the women on this board are not clued up as to the terms/facts in this debate is actually quite sexist of you.

Define these words:

Sex-
Gender-
Female-
Woman-

They do not all mean the same thing, as several previous posters have pointed out.

Please remember:
Definitions must use ordinary language, be clear, not be circular, avoid contradictions, include all that needs to be in the definition, and exclude all that needs to be outside of the definition.

And it's up to women to decide what is in their interest, not an insulting poster who keeps calling us "cis" despite being told to stop.
If our legal rights as women are being eroded because trans activists want to allow any man to claim he is a woman, and therefore make it so that any man who says he is a woman must have free access to a female-only facility, then to me (and MANY other women), that's a HUGE problem.

Thanks, Galvantula . I'm actually wanting to stab things though

Yes, pombear, I think all the lurkers can see the gaslighting for what it is. I hope no one reports the posts where not is being deliberately provocative in their choice of language, especially after pp's have asked them to stop.

Thank you for your reply notveryblissful. I clearly remember learning about reproduction in mammals in biology and I have explained why I believe it is necessary to distinguish between men and women - physical differences. What I don’t understand from your posts is how you would distinguish between men and women and why.

A big thank you to Not on behalf of all those people we know are reading right now but not posting (thanks to the lurkers thread - waves!)

A great thread playing-out along the lines of Maya Angelou's lovely phrase 'when someone shows you who they are, believe them the first time'

Just come in from a night out. Someone upthread mentioned a "twisted defintion of female/woman". Can anyone enlighten me on what this might be? It's coming up to Halloween and I'm building up an appetite for twisted definitions...

science check you all eloquent and I'm just crabbit and swearing

In other words, Notveryblissful, you can't answer our questions, so you're doing what they all do, and going off in a huff.

Even if you tried to answer them though, it would show your reasoning to be weak, circular and without scientific basis. In that way, you may as well try to save face by flouncing away, pretending 'we just don't understand you'.

Of course it fucking does if the definition of women includes men. 🙄

@Badgerthebodger no one is saying you aren't a woman, no one is delegitimising your identity or reality as a woman, the GRA doesn't affect you or your rights. The fact you feel the need to call yourself a "cunty woman" just suggests some serious insecurity tbqh

Define objective reality...

@merrymouse if you need someone to explain it to you maybe you should go back to school

Ah once again plop plop no answers to perfectly polite questions because they’re “too turfy” and off they go wheeee!

From: a cunty woman. You know. A proper adult human female one. Not a man one.

your twisted definitions of female/woman/gender/sex are true.

Those twisted actual dictionary definitions?

Has anyone else come across "Beetroot Brownies"?

My DD was making some today. Some sort of tray-cake incorporating beetroot. She sent me a photo, but I'm not terribly convinced.

There are too many comments for me to bother replying to, and I also just don't have the time, energy or inclination to deal with some of the turf rubbish put forward here.

So that’ll be a no on explaining the difference between men and women then.

Also, we are not anti-trans, we are pro- women's rights, which excludes transwomen because they are men.

Actually, Notveryblissful, and I'm going to 'speak' s l o w l y so that someone as stupid as you appear to be, can u n d e r s t a n d.

The dictionary d e f i n i t i o n of FEMALE is biological and states:

of or denoting the sex that can bear offspring or produce eggs, distinguished biologically by the production of gametes (ova) which can be fertilized by male gametes.

Please note the use of the word 'SEX' & 'biologically,' and nothing about feelz or identity.

Wow. It wasn't long ago that someone was saying that if TRAs got away with appropriating 'women' they'd be after 'female' next. And here we are.

Cis as an objective reality! No it was invented just a few years ago, and even at the time it was pointed out as a path towards denying reality and totalitarianism. You also know nothing about academia if you think that one person inventing a new jargon means that it should be immediately accepted as normal. There's several academics who used to hang out on these boards who could give you 'objective' information about that.

Loving the idea that medics needed a special word to identify which women in front of them were actually of the female sex.
Bollocksmcbollocksmccuntingfuckinhbollocks.

notveryblissful I’m still confused about how you would define trans/woman/man, but maybe you could explain when you think it is necessary to distinguish between men and women?

Personally 90% of the time I just want to be treated as a human being. I only want my sex to be taken into account when absolutely necessary. I don’t want anybody to make any presumptions about my identity.

The problem is that when my sex does need to be taken into account, it is absolutely necessary and it is because I was born female and have the physical characteristics that go with being female. This would be true whatever my identity - I am never going to produce sperm/grow 6 inches/have male upper body strength. I will always have to be treated as somebody who was born female by doctors. Barring evolutionary leaps I cannot see a time when it won’t be sometimes necessary to distinguish between people who are born female and people who are born male. Some of those differences have led to discrimination against women - because they are expected to bear children, because they can be physically dominated by men - but they can’t be avoided - even with hormones and a GRC.

In a civilised society we can create laws that prevent discrimination and protect women but how can we do that if we can’t objectively explain who they are?

Ah yes I remember it so well now.. when my daughter was born the midwife decided to assign my daughter female.
Peak peak peak
The more people who hear this shit being spouted the better

You can reject it as much as you want but you just are. You are cis.

Do that three times on this forum and you'll get a ban.