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So what *is* non-binary?

62 replies

BareBelliedSneetch · 09/10/2018 16:12

Not being goady, honest!

But I got myself lost in this tweet

twitter.com/sophierunning/status/1049552156402077696?s=21

It’s full of people saying “that’s not what non-binary means” and “maybe you should do the listening” but no one actually explaining it.

It seems that non-binary has nothing to do with gender conformity. And you can be an adult human female, and present as femme. And still be non-binary. Which just confuses my little head.

Can anyone help?

(And help me make it clicky?)

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WrongKindOfFace · 09/10/2018 20:07

That's just a young woman drawing attention to herself. "Came out" indeed.

Aye, exactly. Blue hair and face on.*

*meaning a grumpy face.

Imnobody4 · 09/10/2018 20:06

It's a quantum state unfixed, infinitely changeable , sometimes a wave sometimes a particle. Dare you to watch this t.co/O7uAGr27km

jewel1968 · 09/10/2018 20:01

There are 10 types of people in the world.................

Those that understand binary and those that don't

Grin
VickyEadie · 09/10/2018 20:00

WrongKindOfFace

That's just a young woman drawing attention to herself. "Came out" indeed.

KatVonGulag · 09/10/2018 19:58

I've got it!!!!

It's definitely to do with make up!

VickyEadie · 09/10/2018 19:55

As far as I can tell it seems to be waffing about with blue hair and a face on?

So what *is* non-binary?
RepealtheGRA · 09/10/2018 19:54

As far as I can tell it seems to be waffing about with blue hair and a face on?

That was what I thought

FekkoTheLawyer · 09/10/2018 19:53

I thought there was a really grumpy one. Maybe he has PMT?

WrongKindOfFace · 09/10/2018 19:51

No, smurfs are blue with white hair. And quite cheery and definitely binary.

FekkoTheLawyer · 09/10/2018 19:47

Smurfs?

WrongKindOfFace · 09/10/2018 19:41

As far as I can tell it seems to be waffing about with blue hair and a face on?

FekkoTheLawyer · 09/10/2018 19:12
  1. It's 7 isn't it?

The answer is 7.

BeyondAdultHumanFemale · 09/10/2018 19:11

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ErrolTheDragon · 09/10/2018 18:21

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Just joking!

ErrolTheDragon · 09/10/2018 18:19

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Grin
BeyondAdultHumanFemale · 09/10/2018 18:13

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Wink
Thingybob · 09/10/2018 17:52

Thank-you for that article London Painter, it just highlights how ridiculous non binary is.

ErrolTheDragon · 09/10/2018 17:45

Non binary is 'ordinary person' who wants to feel special.

Analog? Hm. I think more of a point on a smoothly varying N-dimensional surface. Summat like that, anyhow. Surely no one thinks a person's 'gender' can map onto a 2d line?

Opheliah · 09/10/2018 17:40

Non binary people are the most irritating of all gender ideologists because for one they repeatedly claim to be "opressed" on the basis of their gender identity but consistently the ppl most likely to declare themselves non-binary are (class privileged) white middle class university undergraduates.

They also demand the ridiculous and counter-intuitive pronouns "they, them, theirs" well actually it's up to a speaker as to how they use those pronouns, not you.

What is the difference between a male non-binary person and a female non-binary person?
Well, I'll tell you, it's their their sex. A sex that everyone can clearly see.

Line up all non-binary people in a row, we will all know who is male or who is female especially after they speak. Sex is a binary. (Intersex conditions notwithstanding but even all ppl with DSD are male or female humans not in some vague mid point).

KatVonGulag · 09/10/2018 17:30

Lol London
That article is spot on

FekkoTheLawyer · 09/10/2018 17:26

I'm old school. So if binary means... In mathematics and digital electronics, a binary number is a number expressed in the base-2 numeral system or binary numeral system, which uses only two symbols: typically 0 (zero) and 1 (one). The base-2 numeral system is a positional notation with a radix of 2. Each digit is referred to as a bit. wtf does that have to do with wanting/not wanting to wear a skirt or play with a doll.

FermatsTheorem · 09/10/2018 17:25

I think it's one of those cases of the human urge towards pattern recognition and attributing causation gone wrong.

Basically it starts from a good place - the recognition that there are all sorts of sexist expectations within society which are forced on people willy-nilly (girls like pink, boys don't cry, women are submissive during sex, men have to be driven and ambitious, women are empathetic, men are systematising, women are "people people", men are drawn to things...) Then add on the additional recognition of the fact that you as an individual don't fit any of those stereotypes.

So far so good.

Then leap to completely the wrong explanation. Instead of saying "well, the stereotypes are a crock of sexist shit", say "the stereotypes are real, but I don't fit them, so there must be something different about me... I know, I occupy a special place in between stereotypes."

howlsmovingcastle84 · 09/10/2018 17:21

Personally, I think the TRA lobby overreached themselves with non-binary. I think they genuinely thought that everyone who was not trans cleaved to a 'gender identity' that matched their sex. With more people saying 'well, I'm non-binary then because...' it weakens the whole gender ideal. Either the criteria for non-binary will be tightened up or non-binary will be pushed out of the trans umbrella and given to 'cis people'.