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I’m thinking of applying for an opportunity on the basis of being non-binary

268 replies

Somerville1234 · 09/10/2018 09:32

Don’t want to say too much about the reward on offer - a work thing, with real kudos, let’s leave it there.

But... it’s only open to people who self-identify as transgender or non-binary (or a lot of other words which, having Googled, are synonyms for the same).

Some people don't identify with any gender is one of the descriptors of what non-binary means. And that’s true of me. I don’t identify as female, I just happen to have a female body. I do “present in a feminine way” though. And I’m straight, married, still breastfeeding...

But, I can apply, right? I’m nervous, but fucked off with myself for cowering behind the parapet for this long.

OP posts:
placemats · 09/10/2018 11:32

I am about to mow the lawn.

Clearly non binary.

I also put the bins out each week.

I also cook.

And wear trousers.

Clearly I have an identity crisis.

VickyEadie · 09/10/2018 11:32

Doobigetta

Welcome to what we call “the fucking point”, ughh.

Grin
stillathing · 09/10/2018 11:31

Younger women, men, see women taking on the majority of childcare etc and assume its because they fully identify with the female gender. They don't see the structural oppression that means it's often the only choice even where women are higher educated than the fathers. This state of affairs - gender ideology - suits the government just fine. That's a whole load less people trying to do anything about the structural oppression of women.

VickyEadie · 09/10/2018 11:31

IfNotNowThenWhen1 "I present as an old tarting slap (thank you Upstart Crow)"

I've decided to identify as a luvvy-kissy.

SirVixofVixHall · 09/10/2018 11:27

I think I am non binary, but i have on occasion worn a tie. So perhaps I’m more demiboi ? Or pangender ? Help me wise enbies, I have to indentify my identity ...!

cooblanket · 09/10/2018 11:23

No Sod They would, because I would accuse them of literally killing me by implying I can't fix their boiler like a cis gas fitter.

GrinGrin

You can't get quicker than a cis gas fitter.

Zeugma · 09/10/2018 11:17

Do take a look at the self-declared non-binary Molly Angelica Gerlach-Arthurs (now seemingly calling theirself just plain ol Molly Gerlach on Twatter), stalwart of the Green Party and chum of a certain ex-member-who-shall-not-be-named, who despite insisting they've 'never felt a connection to the label 'woman'' still chooses to present as one, complete with long hair, make-up and sparkly headband.

No adjustments appear to be required.

Go for it, Somerville!

ChilliJamandAvocado · 09/10/2018 11:15

"Any woman who has ever told a man to fuck off is non binary" - Cathy Brennan

Surely you've said that to some asshat ex boyfriend in the past, some guy who was hassling you in a club, some besuited commuter who pushed past you to get on a busy train... in which case you were very much upsetting the gender applecart and should deffo apply for that opportunity.

UpstartCrow · 09/10/2018 11:11

Marc has actually done a lot of work on this and you should listen to ze.

ContessasGulagSpaDay · 09/10/2018 11:10

I present as female (femme) but work in science (Ooh, scary numbers!) and have been known to construct furniture. Clearly I am nonbinary AF.

oneWeirdReSister · 09/10/2018 11:09

I would do it, for sure.

DH and I are probably going to self ID as the opposite "gender" if/when this comes into law. We will remain a heterosexual couple of course, but he'll be able to retire earlier and I'll get a payrise. Seems like a good idea to us.

Doobigetta · 09/10/2018 11:09

so when an athletic trans woman wants to participate in the olympics it's the 'end of women's sports' and they're 'invading women's spaces' but when you want to participate in something that's only for trans people you can go and there's nothing wrong with it despite you don't feel gender dysphoria or feel any dissonance with the sex you were born as hmm

Welcome to what we call “the fucking point”, ughh.

IfNotNowThenWhen1 · 09/10/2018 11:07

TransPennine!😂
Are you rickety, grubby and rarely on time?

FlorenceLyons · 09/10/2018 11:07

As a first step, I'd ask what definition of non-binary your organisation is using. If you're comfortable that you could justify being in that category (which I suspect you almost certainly could), then I'd go for it. But I'd want that definition first.

DisrespectfulAdultFemale · 09/10/2018 11:06

Go for it, op. How are they going to prove that you don't self-identify as non-binary?

ShovingLeopard · 09/10/2018 11:02

Thanks BrownPaperTeddy and LangCleg. I wonder if OP's opportunity is lawful?

Lweji · 09/10/2018 11:01

Claim you are analogical.

ErrolTheDragon · 09/10/2018 10:58

Fluid queer non-binary.

I know what 'queer' means, I'm transPennine. Usage: there's nowt so queer as folk. (Folk too, see? No wonder Yorkshire is ahead of the curve on this.)

NicoAndTheNiners · 09/10/2018 10:57

Im non binary. Today im wearing trousers like a man. 🙄

Go for it, hope you get it.

If pip bunce can get women's awards then you should be eligible for this.

LangCleg · 09/10/2018 10:57

I think you can promote opportunities for the purpose of positive discrimination for minority groups can't you? Eg all women short lists

No. In employment, positive discrimination is generally unlawful in the UK. AWS are allowed under narrow and specific legislation which is time limited and only available for the protected characteristic of sex.

Aside from EqA exemptions for particular occupations, positive or negative discrimination in employment recruitment and opportunity are unlawful.

Positive action is lawful but limited and appointments can still only be lawfully made on the basis of merit alone:

www.xperthr.co.uk/faq/what-positive-action-is-permitted-under-discrimination-legislation/103008/

BiologyIsReal · 09/10/2018 10:57

Ughhh reminds me of that announcement years ago (anyone remember?) about trains delayed by snow - it was the wrong sort of snow apparently.

Somerville is the wrong sort of non-binary according to Ughhh.

Makes you wonder if ridicule is a stronger weapon than anger against those prats at Stonewall.

WeeSausage · 09/10/2018 10:55

Somerville, I definitely perceive you as transgender. I suspect other posters here do too. According to Errols C & P from Stonewall, that defintely means you are transgender.
Go for it!

BiologyIsReal · 09/10/2018 10:55

I'm the one who puts the bins out in our house, so I am definitely non-binary.

Chocolala · 09/10/2018 10:55

Wow. Turns out I’m non binary too. I simply don’t identify with the gender norms that I’ve seen listed as what makes a ‘woman’ (according to the various TRA twitter feeds I’ve been following).

TuttoNero · 09/10/2018 10:52

Another vote for doing it. The new roolz say that you are non-binary if you say you are and anybody who challenges you is a bigot.

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