I’m thinking of applying for an opportunity on the basis of being non-binary

I have recently identified as non binary on a couple of official forms that ask for 'gender' I did this only yesterday for DH's car insurance... the options were male, female or I'd rather not say. It didn't ask about me, but did ask about him and he was annoying me at the time so I declared him non-binary. In retrospect it was because I'd made him a Dr rather than a Mr, which is why as a simple Ms I wasn't asked rather than because they weren't interested in me as a mere woman. Perhaps this is why the quote was for £100 more?

Posh pan- binary check your privilege

Sauce or frying - it’s not a spectrum

I could get a non-binary reference from a police woman who commented that my lost (then found) sunglasses were men's glasses.
Didn't she know her job was a man's job?

But perhaps you could try something similar, OP.

pan-binary

Yes. It would be very triggering for me to be reminded of my painful journey in court.
Or I could just changed to Mark with a k.
Mark with a k identifies as a retired gas fitter and anyone who questions that is saying I don't exist.

OP, you’ve said that you don’t identify as female. If we are to follow the Stonewall definition then you are clearly non binary. That’s the problem with these vague definitions - they are open to abuse. (I’m not saying that you are abusing it, just that others might do). Good luck with the application for the opportunity.

As an “assigned female at birth” rugby playing engineer who generally wears trousers and doesn’t cook but has long hair and sometimes wears make up, and doesn’t identify with any gender stereotypes, I also appear to fit the definition of non binary.

Does that mean my DH is now pan sexual? And is that why he’s been eyeing up the Le Creuset?

@Marcthenonbinarygasfitter

Don't worry when you are arrested for dangerous unregulated gas work: simply present in court as Linda the home economics specialist.

It's Literal Violence to refer to you as Marc then, so you'll be reet. Totally different person, you see.

To answer the tgread question...

Are you Barbie?

Yes? Not non binary, do not pass go, do not collect 200 pounds.

No? CONGRATULATIONS you are a special magical non binary unicorn and may apply for as many awards as you wish. Go for it.

Hold on a minute, @UpstartCrow. That's a very suffragette-y flag. Perhaps the OP is onto something.

For my part I'm wearing trousers while breastfeeding and when not stuck under a toddler I work in computing. Does that make me pan-binary?

My response to the video linked of the delightful Molly...

"For fucks sake GET A GRIP...it's called PERSONALITY"

I'm conflicted.

On one hand, I agree that "non-binary" probably describes most of us. How we "identify" is totally subjective and, as such, means you have every right to apply for this.

On the other hand...If we really believe that identity should take a backseat to, say, biology, would you really feel right accepting this? In my heart of hearts, I don't think I would. In some ways, I feel applying for this just validates their whole crappy belief system that "gender identity" is real and should be acknowledged.

I know, I know...moral purity often doesn't get you anywhere and it certainly doesn't get you awards or more $$$. But maybe you sleep a little better at night?

Tough one. Follow your gut.

I have recently identified as non binary on a couple of official forms that ask for 'gender' but wasn't completely sure if it's a smart move or an own goal. One of these forms was a police statement and by being NB I'm assuming it has become a hate crime rather than a run of the mill one, so will be taken more seriously?

My main reservation is am I adding to the stats giving Stonewall et al. more ammunition?

On a practical level could you give me some advice on which loos, sports teams, hospital wards etc I should use as I wish to be an authentic non binary person.

Hmm, while I'm all for people showing the ridiculousness of "non-binary", let's remember Somerville still has to go on working for this organisation afterwards. I would be a bit wary of doing anything that made the organisation I worked for look ridiculous.

I couldn't listen to that Molly video for more than a minute because of the number of times she said 'LGBTQIA plus people'. How exhausting

I've mowed the lawn. I didn't post it on instagram though.

Perhaps I'm just a gender bender.

Gawd that video of Molly Gerlach Arthurs. I honestly didn’t know whether to laugh or lay my head down and cry.
You need FEMINISM Molly.
Although I did find it erm..interesting, that Molly’s aim as someone in the Greens isn’t to save the planet, it is more to save seats on benches for her trans and non binary friendy wendies.
This is also clear with Aimee Challenor, AC didn’t have green aims, just AC’s agenda aims. Yet political parties run by actual adult people, supposedly with brains, have fallen for this.

@ughhhh

Do you actually understand what non-binary is?

Please, please, please do it! Show this non binary crap up for the buckshit that it is.

"Radical feminism? That's an excellent suggestion, Miss Triggs. Perhaps one of the men here would like to make it. [And rechristen it 'non binary activism']."

I imagine that any opportunity that is open to only one group who has a protected characteristic then this would form gender bias and be discriminating against others who also have protected characteristics.

I would question the provider who have limited the opportunity to only this small group of people.

Look, you can buy this beautiful non binary flag to proudly hang above your desk.

www.amazon.co.uk/Genderqueer-Non-Binary-Rainbow-5x3-Flag/dp/B017HOQZ82?tag=mumsnetforum-21

OP, thank you for sharing your feelings with us on this thread. It's a courageous first step, and I hope communicating with other posters has helped you clarify your own thoughts about whether you are non-binary. As I understand it, if you are even questioning your gender identity and think you might be non-binary, then you probably ARE non-binary! In any case, it sounds like you really don't fit in the gender you were assigned at birth. It seems a shame to miss this opportunity, just because you came to the full realization a little late. We all know that exploring gender can take a long time, but maybe this reward was the catalyst for you finally deciding on a gender identity that fits? Only you can know for sure. Don't let other people invalidate your experience. Just remember that gender-expression, gender dysphoria, etc have nothing to do with who is trans anymore. If anyone questions your identity, they are being transphobic.
It is excellent that you feel you can discuss your non-binary-ness with your partner first. But you shouldn't feel like you must share your identity with everyone, especially if you're worried about negative reactions. Perhaps consider what pronouns feel right. If she/her still work (sorry for assuming they are your pronouns now ), then more power to you. Stonewall says transitioning can really be something as small as telling other people, so the very act of posting on here means you might be in the process. Stunning and brave!

Makes you wonder if ridicule is a stronger weapon than anger against those prats at Stonewall.

Ridicule, and the right to ridicule, are vital. Taking the piss is sometimes a political act stronger than words and it’s always preferable to violence. Any group or ideology that can’t mock itself or see the absurd side is to be feared.

There is a reason why there’s no fun in fundamentalism.

Am I allowed to self-identify as an overweight harpie in lesbian shoes?