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I’m thinking of applying for an opportunity on the basis of being non-binary

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Somerville1234 · 09/10/2018 09:32

Don’t want to say too much about the reward on offer - a work thing, with real kudos, let’s leave it there.

But... it’s only open to people who self-identify as transgender or non-binary (or a lot of other words which, having Googled, are synonyms for the same).

Some people don't identify with any gender is one of the descriptors of what non-binary means. And that’s true of me. I don’t identify as female, I just happen to have a female body. I do “present in a feminine way” though. And I’m straight, married, still breastfeeding...

But, I can apply, right? I’m nervous, but fucked off with myself for cowering behind the parapet for this long.

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stealthsquirrelnutkin · 09/10/2018 19:44

Go for it, you are non binary according to all the available definitions, and if Pips Bunce, Nikki Take and Catlyn Jenner can win awards set aside for women then you certainly deserve a chance to win an award for your own particular flavour of non binary gender uniqueness.

I too am a fuck ton more non binary than that Molly person or any of those beardy twats on twitter currently laying claim to the term and lecturing cunty women on how to do feminism correctly. I feel very strongly that you would make a great representative for me and the majority of other non binary people who are like me.

I haven't shaved a body part since family pressure compelled me to mow the armpits for a wedding in 1983. All my (3 pairs) of shoes are flat and comfortable. I only wear make up around Christmas, when pantomime dame envy inspires me to smear putty over my eye brows and redecorate my face with neon eye make up and a set of long orange eye lashes complete with rhinestones and teensy feathers on the tips, rosy circles on my cheeks and a lipsticked cupids bow in order to wow my friends at parties and other festive occasions.

I own a full set of well used of power tools, now mostly gathering dust since I failed to identify out of my disability and lost the knack of balancing on stepladders or standing up again after a crouch. I completely lack the natural feminine penchant for cleaning cupboards, windows and toilets to sparkly glory, yet I regularly wear my tiara, wot I made myself from huge, purple, knobbly, baroque freshwater pearls threaded on silver wire and cunningly wrapped to fit the shape of my rather manly sized cranium.

Recently when faced with forms that demand my gender and fail to ask the sex I was assigned at birth, leaving me to choose betweeen either male or female, I always choose male. The least bad choice, considering that my gender, though non-binary, obviously leans more towards the masculine (what with the drag tendencies and blindness to toilet and window grime).

WoodpeckersAreWood · 09/10/2018 19:40

Are you rickety, grubby and rarely on time?

Oh god. All this time. I though I was a northern non binary bisexual non gender performing assigned female at birth grumpy middle aged demiboi.

Actually I’m just Transpennine .

Ihaventgottimeforthis · 09/10/2018 19:22

Grrr... ‘appropriated’.

ErrolTheDragon · 09/10/2018 19:22

Pips Bunce getting an award meant for women - and accepting it

Or the other one in that awards list - Nikki take, was it? - who as far as I could gather from the interview in The Times 'transitioned' because it was good for business.

Ihaventgottimeforthis · 09/10/2018 19:20

Exactly Vicky.
Opportunities & protections that were fought for by women on a sex class basis are being either appropriate or eroded by anyone who says they feel like a woman.
So if people insist on protections being based on gender identity, then so be it.

EmpressAdultHumanFemale · 09/10/2018 19:17

Surprised they didn't pop on a school uniform and enter the school sports day Egg and spoon race.

Nah, that's more likely to be Stefonknee Wolscht.

FekkoTheLawyer · 09/10/2018 19:14

Just greedy. Maybe the Bunce didn't win any other awards.

Surprised they didn't pop on a school uniform and enter the school sports day Egg and spoon race.

VickyEadie · 09/10/2018 19:07

Pips Bunce getting an award meant for women - and accepting it.

Now that is taking the piss.

LangCleg · 09/10/2018 19:05

It wouldn't feel fair or right.

To whom, FFS, to whom?

Knicknackpaddyflak · 09/10/2018 19:05

The OP is non binary, with the exception of Mary Berry and Barbie, pretty much all females are non binary. Wittering about 'piss taking' and the 'non binary experience' is bullshit for this very reason. No one identifies with restrictive female stereotypes, what sane person would want to? The 1950s were almost 70 years ago.

The rule of self identity? Check. The concept of non binary? Check.

The only difference I can see is a failure on the OP's part to sit around worrying about being erased and literally violenced and creating a whole lot of angst about it on Tumblr. Seriously.

OP you are non binary, no one can argue that you're not, you're not piss taking and to suggest that these roles should be preserved in aspic for only the 'right kind' of non binary people is again about putting boring, ordinary women in a box and keeping them there so that there is something for the 'special' to define themselves against.

Fuck that.

Somerville1234 · 09/10/2018 19:05

Or smirking at the oh so witty piss taking of non binary people?

You know what, I'm not amused at all by the issue. I've smiled at some of the humour on this thread, for sure, but I do that at jokes about all sorts of serious and important issues.

Having thought about it all day, I believe the only reason the organisation are publicising this reward for someone from this group of people is an attempt at woke virtue signalling. Because there are people who are trans, or who like to be called they, at every level of the organisation, including extremely senior positions.

If they really wanted to take positive action to reward the efforts of an employee from a group who has a record of low participation across the organisation (as they claim) then they should be encompassing BME members. Those with disabilities. Lone parents or those who are full-time carers of disabled or elderly relatives. All those groups are hideously under-represented. Lesbians are, to a lesser extent, in this organisation, though gay men certainly aren't.

Whether to put in a complaint about the above, or to apply for the opportunity, is what I need to decide. Either way, teading all this advice has helped me to feel confident, whenever necessary, to confirm that I am, indeed, non-binary, as per Stonewall's own definition:
An umbrella term for people whose gender identity doesn’t sit comfortably with ‘man’ or ‘woman’. Non-binary identities are varied and can include people who identify with some aspects of binary identities, while others reject them entirely.

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LangCleg · 09/10/2018 19:05

Stonewall, have done everything they can to game the system against women, I can't see why saying you are non-binary if you meet the definition of non-binary is something they have a leg to complain about.

Should we be subject to Stonewall's transtopia, I fully intend to declare myself a saggy-titted (™ Manchester Pride) transman. And I will claim any and all initiatives intended for marginalised chaps such as myself.

DakiniTawa · 09/10/2018 19:04

I do however find it laughable that people feel the need to label it and shout about how it makes them oh-so-special when in reality they are just like 99% of people on the planet. Just get on with it FFS like everyone else does

I feel like this too and therefore would not apply for the opportunity. It wouldn't feel fair or right.

Micke · 09/10/2018 19:02

She is unlikely to be suited to the opportunity if she finds the concept of others being non-binary annoying or laughable.

Sorry what? OP is non-binary, I am non-binary - from what I've read, OP happily acknowledges that a great many people are non-binary - how on earth is she not suited?

Is she the wrong kind of non-binary? Is that you're problem with her? You seem to be the one suggesting that other people aren't non-binary, not OP at all.

LangCleg · 09/10/2018 18:59

Only condescend to catch it when it's precisely six inches off the floor, remember.

These asides are making me so happy today!

PlantsArePeopleToo · 09/10/2018 18:58

And without helping you along too much as you struggle to come up with a definition, I will say that pretty much everybody is non-binary, including myself.

I don't find others being non-binary to be laughable. I do however find it laughable that people feel the need to label it and shout about how it makes them oh-so-special when in reality they are just like 99% of people on the planet. Just get on with it FFS like everyone else does. If people didn't prattle on about their non-binary identity then nobody would even know that's what they were nor would they care.

Hmm...perhaps that is the problem here? Perhaps in order to be non-binary you need to make sure everyone knows that's exactly what you are?

VickyEadie · 09/10/2018 18:58

She is unlikely to be suited to the opportunity if she finds the concept of others being non-binary annoying or laughable.

Ah - so in your definition, non binary means 'entirely lacking the ability to laugh at oneself', does it?

I have several gay male pals who spend most of their time taking the piss out of each other with regard to being gay. is that not allowed, either?

RedToothBrush · 09/10/2018 18:53

I DO know someone who applied for the police saying he was gay as they were not recruiting straight white males at the time.

He got in.

He would make a great copper, but he isn't gay and was freely telling his mates what he was doing and how he was lying.

You wouldn't be lying under Stonewall's own definition.

Stonewall, have done everything they can to game the system against women, I can't see why saying you are non-binary if you meet the definition of non-binary is something they have a leg to complain about.

PlantsArePeopleToo · 09/10/2018 18:53

You still haven't explained what non-binary is though @DakiniTawa.

DakiniTawa · 09/10/2018 18:51

The OP may well be non-binary.

She is unlikely to be suited to the opportunity if she finds the concept of others being non-binary annoying or laughable.

Somerville1234 · 09/10/2018 18:46

Oh I like that explanation, LangCleg.

Only condescend to catch it when it's precisely six inches off the floor, remember.

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PipGoesPop · 09/10/2018 18:44

Do it. Why shouldn't you? If you say you are then you are.

PlantsArePeopleToo · 09/10/2018 18:43

It's funny because I've asked two people so far on this thread who seem to think the OP is in the wrong and mocking non-binary individuals what exactly their definition of non-binary is and neither of them has bothered to reply.

I think it's because they know fine well that the OP (along with many others here) would in fact be classed as non-binary as per the definition.

It is just much easier to mock her and tell her how awful she's being to trans people than face up to the reality of how ridiculous this whole thing is.

MIdgebabe · 09/10/2018 18:42

Peehpas only men can be none binary?

Somerville1234 · 09/10/2018 18:41

The only legal way an organisation can limit a job function...

For the frigging third time, DakiniTawa, it is not a job.

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