I’m thinking of applying for an opportunity on the basis of being non-binary

so when an athletic trans woman wants to participate in the olympics it's the 'end of women's sports' and they're 'invading women's spaces' but when you want to participate in something that's only for trans people you can go and there's nothing wrong with it despite you don't feel gender dysphoria or feel any dissonance with the sex you were born as

But every feminist feels gender dysphoria - otherwise we'd be completely accepting of our lot in life as females.

I think that this is the way to shine the spotlight on the nonsense that is self ID.

For the record, and I know most don't agree with me, I have no issue with accepting anyone that is formally recognised as being trans. By that I mean that I think there needs to be a formal process that ensures that the person is serious. The fact that under self ID anyone and everyone could change their identity at will and 10 times before lunch is just bizarre.

If it is adopted I absolutely will be using it to my advantage whenever I can just to highlight the ridiculousness of it. But then I am bloody minded and I accept that not everyone is the same.

By doing what the OP is suggesting I think the problem is being highlighted but without attacking any particular group or risking accusations of transphobia.

@ if so many people on here fall under the trans umbrella then how are so many people SO transphobic

This made me snort-laugh. What a way to spectacularly miss the point.

Do it! Do it! Do it!

From Sophie Walker's recent tweet...

"It's also worth noting that many women (myself included) consider themselves non-binary in that we reject gendered constructs"

There is no transphobia on mumsnet. Transphobic posts are not allowed and there is very heavy moderation of the FWR forum.

Many of us would qualify as trans/non-binary/queer using Stonewall's very own definition so accusations that we are not what we identify as are . . . . .transphobic.

Please back up your accusations of mumsnet transphobia with proof.

I'd easily fall under the Stonewall definition. As long as you have your 'qualifications' clear in your own mind then why not apply? Who's to judge your inner feeling?

Where is this transphobia uuugh
?

I have never been asked my preferred pronoun, but I think that if I am, I shall use "It".

"It" perfectly demonstrates the ludicrosity of such things and the ultimate dehumanisation such things eventually lead to.

@Ihaventgottimeforthis if so many people on here fall under the trans umbrella then how are so many people SO transphobic and no one has anything to say about it? 🤔

Explanation of what 'transgender' means c&p'd from a Stonewall document (my bolding):

^The term transgender also includes people who express gender characteristics that don’t correspond with the characteristics traditionally ascribed to the person’s actual or presumed sex. This can include:
• Gender benders • Gender blenders • Drag queens • Drag kings • Butch women
• Effeminate men • Anyone who chooses, for whatever reason, to self-identify as transgender
In the broadest sense, transgender encompasses anyone whose identity or behaviour falls outside of stereotypical gender norms. That includes people who do not self-identify as transgender, but who are perceived as such by others and thus are subject to the same prejudice, discrimination and physical violence as those who actually identify with any of these categories.^

The behaviour of many GC women frequently falls outside 'stereotypical gender norms' IME.

ughhh if someone is not binary, i.e happily conforming with gender stereotypes, then they are by definition 'non-binary' and maybe 'genderqueer' or 'agender'.
Many of us who post on this forum are covered by the trans umbrella, contrary to popular expectation.

Oh my!

Revelation.

Why didn’t I think of this before?

I would absolutely do this myself - if only it stopped at the label. Fireperson, say. Or Postperson. Or Engineer. Unfortunately my own occupation would demand that I vociferously expressed my new-found identity in my work. Which would be tedious.

Otherwise ...

Stonewall's definition of non-binary:
Non-binary

An umbrella term for people whose gender identity doesn’t sit comfortably with ‘man’ or ‘woman’. Non-binary identities are varied and can include people who identify with some aspects of binary identities, while others reject them entirely.

Sounds fine to me if you meet the above!

Could any of them even give a sensible definition of what non-binary means?
Can anyone? Is there a sensible definition of non-binary?

I've decided if anyone ever asks me, to say I identify as agender.
I don't give a stuff about pronouns, so that's not an issue, and according to wikipedia using they/their pronouns is not a prerequisite for identifying as agender (!).
If anyone challenges you, then just say 'I can't believe you are denying my identity.'
If anyone raises an eyebrow at your outfit being too 'conforming', just say 'I can't believe you think gender expression is analogous to gender identity.'
Good luck with the application!

are you joking? non binary is trans too and if you don't even know what queer means then you don't qualify to be it

I thought if you self-id as something, that's what you are. People telling you who you are are transphobes.

@ughh but there us a difference between the abilities and sporting limits of women and transwomen. What difference is there between OP and any other gender queer (not just trans this award) person? Very few people neatly fit into the gender binary, I doubt OP does so why can't she identify as such?

@OP tgere is nothing stopping you but remover that every person who applies to token pity awards contributes to their legitimacy. I don't apply to these awards when they are aimed at women because its patronising and I don't think it is ok to under educate women and create a societal pressure for women to take on the majority of childcare and then allow work places to be hostile to working parents (disafvabtaging women disproportionately) and then placate then with a good girl award. But if you are OK with that then go for it.

I suppose you are under the trans umbrella if you wear trousers a few days a week, just like the brave and inspiring Pips Bunce is a woman when they wear their dress. I doubt they experience dysphoria and dissonance either . You can define your gender identity however you wish after all, so go for it! I personally identify as agender nowadays as I believe gender is nonsense, so I am also trans.

Go for it. Who are they to say you're not non-binary? Could any of them even give a sensible definition of what non-binary means?

@ughhh What does queer mean?

if you don't even know what queer means then you don't qualify to be it

What?! How bigoted are you?

You could even get one of those temporary blue hair dye things for the interview . It's the perfect disguise.