R4 Thought for the day.

That complaints number again: 03700 100 222

I just pressed 3: "All of our agents are still busy" .....

There seems to be a particular blind spot amongst female-born non-binaries and their supporters. They see the feminist objection to transwomen in female spaces, and project that to be about them. They think we would reject them, so they side with the transwomen with whom they have nothing in common.

These young people, with their rejection of gender stereotypes, would have turned to feminism in the past. Now they're fighting us instead.

Most of the people asking questions now, actually HAVE done much research, and properly listened to what the trans activists themselves are saying. The problem is that "trans theories" to me still seem like a bunch of nonsense. While I can respect someone else's beliefs, I cannot in good conscience pretend that I share them. And we certainly shouldn't be writing them into law in such a way that ignores the physical reality of sex.

Just phoned BBC complaints to lodge a complaint
03700 100 222
Unfortunately didn't catch the whole 2/3 min but enough to make me very cross. The service is automated but if you choose "make a complaint" you get put through to a person.

So, to summarise: parent of woman who identifies as non-binary - about whom GC women have no issue, because she's no threat to us - is given national radio slot to argue that people just need to be better educated about all trans people. Totally ignores wider issue of 'open door' caused by self-id.

I have The Rage after listening to this.

She's @LauraJanklaus on twitter, which is full of praise for her piece this morning. Stonewall among the first.

I have to work so can't do it myself right now but can someone please tweet her a pic of Jacinta?

I think I've seen somewhere that female non-binary people often have their breasts removed and take testosterone.

The BRCA breast cancer genes are more prevalent in the Ashkenazi Jewish population and some young women withe the BRCA gene opt to have prophylactic mastectomy to reduce their cancer risk (as Angelina Jolie did), so its possible mastectomy for FtM transition would be less of stark choice in the circles the rabbi moves in.

How odd that they allow this particular Thought for the Day but no discussion at all about this subject on Woman's Hour.

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It’s understandable for those that are ignorant to want to ask questions.

That was what I got too. So it’s OK to debate it as long as you arrive at the correct answer

Today is having a larf this morning!

Gwyneth Paltrow on crystals now.

I wonder if there has ever been another occasion during Thought For The Day, where listeners were encouraged to fill out a govt consultation?

Good point, Lizzie.

No amount of education will change my mind on non binary being a steaming pile of nonsense, thanks anyway.

I wonder if there has ever been another occasion during Thought For The Day, where listeners were encouraged to fill out a govt consultation?

It’s supposed to be non partisan, isn’t it? Bloody hell.

So conflating "social acceptance of trans people as trans" with "accepting self-ID". Because the two are obviously the same thing. Right.

The BBc's bias on this is absolutely horrific.

I wonder if there has ever been another occasion during Thought For The Day, where listeners were encouraged to fill out a govt consultation?

It set the argument out as simple. She called her child trans - even though it sounded like her child was non-binary and wasn't having invasive procedures.

What are the public to make of this skewing of language? How can anyone understand what is going on when non binary is described as trans.

It made me as a parent, going through the absolute hell of this, feel utterly desperate. Every day we are fighting to keep our sanity within the distorted delusions that are being presented to us.

It ignored any of the bigger issues by saying that at the end of the day, no matter
whether we find it hard or disagree, every individual has the right to present their truth to the world - and difficult though it might be we've just got to accept that our children are still just as beautiful and amazing.

Regardless of the consequences, regardless of facts, truths and boundaries. Regardless of issues around safeguarding. Regardless.

'It's understandable for those that are ignorant to want to ask questions.'

Thats the gist I got.

WTF. This needs balancing on the same slot tomorrow.

But she's said that those asking questions just didn't understand yet, so it was ok for them to ask questions to be educate. At least, that's how I understood it.

Once people are allowed to ask questions they will hear all sides, including what is being discussed here, so they will be educated about Jacinta Brooks, Karen White et al as well as the fluffy bunnies.

Infuriating.

As a Reform Jew, I feel let down by Rabbi Janner Klausner.

I never thought I would ever say this about an issue, but Orthodox Judaism actually represents my views on this better than Reform.

I think I've seen somewhere that female non-binary people often have their breasts removed and take testosterone.

I really don't understand the concept of non-binary - as far as I can tell from the way it's described, we are all non-binary. But don't need surgery, obviously.

Glad to see a thread in this. Yes, the TL:DR version was that questions are OK because it comes from a place of ignorance, but when we understand we’ll realise how special, wonderful and vulnerable trans people are and be more understanding.

But she's said that those asking questions just didn't understand yet, so it was ok for them to ask questions to be educate. At least, that's how I understood it.

This is the neoliberal mantra and I am so sick of it. If people are against fracking, TTIP, males in female spaces, EU expansion to Turkey, a military intervention, nuclear war.... you name it, the only reason is that the issue in question hasn't been explained well enough and the political establishment must do a better job explaining.

I am so sick of it.

I think the general gist was ‘it is ok to debate and to be worried, but when you meet a transgender person you will realise they aren’t scary’.

The rabbi has clearly not bumped into Jacinta Brooks, Karen White et al in a dark alleyway.

This over-generalisation that trans = fluffy bunnies gets right on my pip.

I wonder what Thal (sp?) does for a living. They are entering peak-childbearing-age discrimination age.... wonder if their non-binary status will protect them from sex discrimination.

It was a little ... eyebrow-raising.