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R4 Thought for the day.

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NotZenEnough · 09/10/2018 07:50

Oh my GOD!!! I wonder whether they will have a gender critical theologian on tomorrow?

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TigerDrankAllTheWaterInTheTap · 09/10/2018 12:26

Christina Farrow is a Catholic journalist. She'd be good too. Did a GC interview on TV recently.

VickyEadie · 09/10/2018 12:19

but when you meet a transgender person you will realise they aren’t scary’

If I met Karen White in Tesco bogs I'd be terrified.

BoreOfWhabylon · 09/10/2018 12:16

Melanie Phillips is Jewish and GC.

Starkstaring · 09/10/2018 11:50

Unfortunately being non-binary and having XX chromosones can often mean taking Testosterone and having a mastectomy (not sure much medical intervention is required of an XY non-binary person - funny that).

I felt for her as a mother of a transgender adult child - she really has very little choice but to be seen to drink the KoolAid in public if she is to keep a close relationship, and pray that not too much physical damage is done.

Noqont · 09/10/2018 11:01

but when you meet a transgender person you will realise they aren’t scary’

I didn't really feel like that when I encountered a transwoman in the woman's toilets at Tesco's the other day. Not sure what it was that made me anxious, was it the beard, the fake boobs, or the general male entitled agressive attitude as he stood there staring at myself and my child. Sure some transwomen arent scary. Obviously. And others really are.

MissHoolee · 09/10/2018 10:48

I think we should be careful not to make this about the speaker.

I agree too. Doing that makes it easy for certain people to point the finger and say look at those bullies rather than engaging in the debate.

vaginafetishist · 09/10/2018 10:44

Good point

Floisme · 09/10/2018 10:43

I think we should be careful not to make this about the speaker. I feel for any parent in that situation and my complaint is strictly with the BBC for using a religious slot for political purposes, especially when a public consultation is underway.
And I would like to know whether Stonewall had any involvement.

vaginafetishist · 09/10/2018 10:29

The number of people on her twitter crying and smiling at the braveryHmm

LizzieSiddal · 09/10/2018 10:26

Stonewall probably instigated it!

Floisme · 09/10/2018 10:14

I think it’s interesting that Stonewall have been so quick to comment. A more cynical person than me might be wondering if they’d known in advance it was coming up.

BabyItsAWildWorld · 09/10/2018 10:04

I've complained online.

I stated that it is not appropriate for tftd to be used to promote a current government consultation, particularly when a clear bias is being presented.

OldCrone · 09/10/2018 09:43

If the Pope isn't up for the gig, would there be someone from the RC church who would give an alternative perspective?

The problem with many conservative religious people is that as well as objecting to transgenderism they are also homophobic. They wouldn't be very good at presenting the feminist viewpoint, and might even push some people the other way.

Redkeyboard · 09/10/2018 09:36

Rosa Freedman would be a good choice for a balanced come back, see this thread:

mobile.twitter.com/GoonerProf/status/1049004473509732352

OldCrone · 09/10/2018 09:34

I think they have had humanists on before. Angelos Sofocleous might be a good choice.

Ali1cedowntherabbithole · 09/10/2018 09:33

Sorry. Too many necessarilys Grin

Ali1cedowntherabbithole · 09/10/2018 09:32

I don’t necessarily think that the right of reply necessarily needs to be a TFTD, but it does need to allow the GC point across so not a “debate” with a TRA.

AbsintheFriends · 09/10/2018 09:31

If the Pope isn't up for the gig, would there be someone from the RC church who would give an alternative perspective?

Ali1cedowntherabbithole · 09/10/2018 09:29

I wonder if his holiness is available...

borntobequiet · 09/10/2018 09:25

It would need to be a "religious" person on TFTD.
The Pope is GC.

Redkeyboard · 09/10/2018 09:22

I also suggested a right of reply from a GC feminist such as Posie.

Someone like Nic Williams would be better for a response to the tone of that message.

AnchorMum · 09/10/2018 09:17

Just complained.

I mentioned the confusion in language over non binary and trans people; I said this was an inappropriate choice of speaker at such a sensitive time prior to a public consultation; I said that as the mother of a trans child I had no voice representing my own different views within the public debate and on the BBC; I said that there had been no debate about this on Woman's Hour and that it made this morning's choice very odd and possibly partisan; I said that the views of this morning's speaker did not accurately reflect the debate and any of the bigger issues.

BoreOfWhabylon · 09/10/2018 09:15

Just rang the number. Spoke to a lovely young man. Think I've peak-transed him!

Ali1cedowntherabbithole · 09/10/2018 09:08

I used the online complaints form and complained about bias and partiality.

I also suggested a right of reply from a GC feminist such as Posie.

ssl.bbc.co.uk/complaints/forms/?lang=en&reset=&uid=690641911#anchor

speakingwoman · 09/10/2018 08:56

done. nice friendly chap.

I didn't even say that the particular law change was until he asked. I just said it was political and partisan, directly testifying as to how moving it is to change this law. ....

I used this:

"I wonder if there has ever been another occasion during Thought For The Day, where listeners were encouraged to fill out a govt consultation?"

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