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Important - The Equality Act guidance has just changed

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WatchThePotatoesBoil · 08/10/2018 17:06

I've just this minute been told by the EHRC that the Equality Act guidance has been changed, and the new version was published on Friday as promised to Fair Play for Woman.

It no longer states:

Where someone has a gender recognition certificate they should be treated in their acquired gender for all purposes and therefore should not be excluded from single sex services.

It now states:

Transsexual people should not be routinely asked to produce their Gender Recognition Certificate (if they have one) as evidence of their legal sex. If a business requires proof of a person’s legal sex, then their birth certificate should be sufficient confirmation.

There will of course, now be a new Twitter war on what this actually means.

www.equalityhumanrights.com/sites/default/files/what-equality-law-means-for-your-business-2018.pdf

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TerfedOff · 08/10/2018 17:23

Yes how is that going to work?

I think it's becoming more and more obvious that the gender recognition act needs to be completely repealed as it is no longer fit for purpose.

People cannot change sex therefore a new birth certificate in a fake sex should not be issued.

twitter.com/HairyLeggdHarpy/status/1049293400741052416?s=19

Interesting Twitter thread above on all the ins and outs of the gender recognition act

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WatchThePotatoesBoil · 08/10/2018 17:23

Amazing what can be done with the stoke of a pen.
As the saying goes, "The penis mightier than the sword..."

Ooops, I meant "The pen is mightier than the sword..."

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ChrysanthemumsAreMums · 08/10/2018 17:22

That's interesting

So, if we are saying that they can be excluded from single sex spaces, then we are saying that transwomen are NOT women. Even if they have a GRC

Right?

YesItsADebate · 08/10/2018 17:21

That’s positive but not good enough. The EHRC must clearly state that single-sex provisions are legal in some circumstances and that providers of these provisions can exclude a trans-identifying person of the opposite sex observed at birth. How they work with that when getting a GRC means a new birth certificate, I have no idea.

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WatchThePotatoesBoil · 08/10/2018 17:19

Upstart - I believe that's always been the case.

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WatchThePotatoesBoil · 08/10/2018 17:18

The old words meant that people with a Gender Recognition Certificate should never be excluded from single-sex spaces.

That has gone.

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UpstartCrow · 08/10/2018 17:15

Will Self ID mean a new birth certificate is issued along with a GRC?
If so, how is it legal to introduce a workaround to The Equality Act?

CuriousaboutSamphire · 08/10/2018 17:14

So... new words, similar meaning, single biological sex exemptions still valid if appropriate.

Though they did swerve the toilets issue by changing to disability....

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WatchThePotatoesBoil · 08/10/2018 17:07

"Fair Play for Women", sorry.

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