Legalising prostitution

I think my title is misleading - I meant decriminalising rather than legalising

It is still misleading. It is not illegal or a crime to be a prostitute in the UK.

What is illegal and criminal is being a pimp, running a brothel, trafficking, soliciting, living off a prostitute's earnings, procuring and grooming prostitutes.

Whether one talks about legalisation or decriminalisation what one is talking about is allowing all the people involved in these activities to do so legally.

My MP is a labour MP and as I am writing to them today - to ask them to attend the meeting at the House of Commons on the 16th - I am going to mention this call by some young labour members to decriminalise prostitution and use the opportunity to (highlight it and) ask them for clarity on the party's position.

I think it's been pretty clear on the thread as a whole, OP, fear not! You're obviously talking about legalising all the activities round prostitution (pimping, soliciting, brothel keeping, etc.) not prostitution itself which we know (well most of us know) is legal in the UK. And importantly, the selling of sex would continue to be legal under the Nordic model, it would just be the buying which would be criminalised.

I didn't know prostitution was illegal! I know soliciting is but escort work and the like is not illegal

It isn't. No one has said it is.

This is a good resource

nordicmodelnow.org

Nordic model.

Criminalises the buyers, but not the sellers.

Reduces demand, reduces trafficking.

I didn't know prostitution was illegal! I know soliciting is but escort work and the like is not illegal.

I don't go for the Nordic business.

It always strikes me as odd that I've met many, many sex workers in RL (through work) almost all addicted, almost all abused as children, almost all victims of violence or at least witnesses to it, almost all with financial/personal pressures that made it impossible to say no.

And yet all the sex workers in the media are happy, joyful, loving every second of it. It's almost as if there is some reason the media, charities and politicians want everyone to look elsewhere...

Nordic model. Consent cannot be for sale and men who pay for sex are rapists in my book. A society that condones this is a society that hates women.

Legalized Prostitution In Germany Looks Like A Living Nightmare:

When German anti-prostitution advocates talk about the situation of prostitution in Germany, we hear the same responses, over and over: “You’ve got to be kidding!” or “How is this possible?” When we do presentations in other countries, people in the audience will often start to cry or ask for a break after 15 minutes to get some fresh air. The same presentations in Germany cause outrage as well, but we’ve noticed that people have become so accustomed to the situation, their emotional response is subdued. In fact, German men will often openly and proudly out themselves as sex buyers at abolitionist events. There is no shame in being a commercial sex buyer in Germany. This is an obvious and alarming sign that decades of legalized prostitution have shaped society.

It’s easy not to notice the harms of prostitution if we don’t look at them directly and, while all women are impacted by the realities of prostitution, most people who aren’t directly involved in this industry have limited knowledge as to what goes on in it. Not to mention that society has covered over the fact that trafficking is absolutely still happening, despite legalization.

fightthenewdrug.org/germanys-legalized-prostitution-industry-looks-like-a-real-life-horror-movie/

lass

No it was more if i managed to get my models mixed

But it is the nordic one i was thinking of

If you want to find out more about Germany's sex industry I highly recommend viewing a documentary called "Mega Brothels". The way the women are treated by the brothel owners and punters is shocking.

That documentary is what made me think that prosititution should never be legalised in this country. The women just seemed so unhappy and the whole thing was just so fucked up, it was like they weren't humans.

There was a bit in it where they were interviewing the owner and his daughter. They were talking about how well the workers were treated, how they were happy, how they weren't forced into it etc. The interviewer asked if the owner would be happy for his daughter to do it then, and both of them were like 'hell no'!

I wish they would criminalise punters. I was out with a group of twenty-something guys the other week, and they all said that they thought paying for sex is totally fine, except for one (a psychologist, who said his view was due to his work). God, it was so depressing.

Decriminalising prostituting women has caused immense problems wherever it has happened. NM is the least worst option.

If you want to find out more about Germany's sex industry I highly recommend viewing a documentary called "Mega Brothels". The way the women are treated by the brothel owners and punters is shocking.

I'd go for the Nordic Model.

Rufusthebewilderedreindeer

Look at me hedging my bets in case I've said something wrong...

Do you mean getting "legalising" and "de-criminalising" prostitution mixed up?

I can't remember what the distinction is.

It is not currently a criminal offence to be a prostitute in the UK. No one is suggesting it should be.

I don't know nor care what the difference is between the 2- both seek to normalise prostitution and make it acceptable.

I like the NM as it neatly shifts perspective to bring this crime in line with others on the statute books.
For example, theft would attract a lower sanction than receiving stolen goods.

We usually punish the behaviour which creates a market for criminal activity.
I would be delighted to see the same, rational, well thought out rules apply to prostitution.

to obscure the fact that pimps, brothel owners, so-called called "minders", procurers and groomers are "sex workers"

This.

In the UK prostitution is legal.

What is illegal is running a brothel, being a pimp, an adult living off the earnings of a prostitute, training up a woman to be a prostitute or soliciting (whether by prostitutes of potential punters or punters trying to solicit a prostitute)

All of this should in my view remain illegal and punters buying sex should be added to the list.

Prostitution is not work and should never be legitimised and normalised.

"Sex worker" is a weasel term which seeks to normalise prostitution and to obscure the fact that pimps, brothel owners, so-called called "minders", procurers and groomers are "sex workers".

s.telegraph.co.uk/graphics/projects/welcome-to-paradise/

Here's an article on how things have panned out in Germany. Numbers in prostitution are up, trafficking is up (because as one prostitute commented on a thread on here, if you were an organised criminal, which country would you want to traffic women to? One with sanctions for pimping, or one with no sanctions? She actually said her job was easier and better paid and safer in countries with stricter laws, because the punters were more cautious about their behaviour.) Prices have fallen to rock bottom - 5 euros for a blow job on the streets of Hamburg.

Even the Netherlands is struggling - police in Amsterdam now reckon a substantial percentage of the women in the shop windows are now trafficked.

Didn't pan out so well in Leeds. Woman murdered within weeks of the introduction of the tolerated red light area, that area is now a no-go zone for women who've lived in Holbeck for decades, it's spilling over into surrounding streets, there's been a woman kidnapped and raped having simply strayed into the wrong bit of town.

Yes your thoughts around the NM that it's the least-worse option are reasonable

I agree, i think thats why I struggle slightly with this in that i know its probably not the ideal but its the next best thing

Nordic model is the best way forward.

Corbyn came out in support of the Nordic Model.