Please speak English

Infidel I think it is more likely that some posters have recognised the OP and know a lot more about them than you and I do.

It happens every now and then. Barracka and Fermat are very active in real life, I think. So they tend to be the posters who spot the real person behind the anonymous posting!

Seeing the responses to this thread I can understand why this OP might feel alienated. The OP has been accused of "losing their grip on reality" a thinly veiled accusation of being inebriated, ridiculed for having a faith and that is just within one page. Perhaps if you tried to understand the OP's perspective you might not be so vitriolic?

There's someone here who seems a bit like the OP's twin. www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=104646533701138&set=ecnf.100024673745396&type=3&theater

I'm sure they're not related though.

Aha.

Ohhhhhh- OK. I understand.

Oh, thanks Barracker and Fermats. The light dawns.

That's a point what is the churches stand on all this? Are we ment to be forgiving tolerant presenting the other cheek to be smacked too or do they have an opinion?

Ah. Thanks for the heads up, Fermat, since I didn't have the pleasure of witnessing the first round.

Hijacking the thread - sorry. I am not a person who stands up to things but today is the day I would like to make my concerns known on Facebook and I do not want to put people off by excluding them as the op felt happened to her. Does anyone know of a simple paragraph I can post to wake my friends up to the horror that is the gra.

Ah, I think I know what's going on here

All movements, whether right, wrong, or like most political movements, somewhere in between, sometimes attract the occasional person with a slightly dubious grip on reality. Sometimes those people lose their grip still further and start attacking people on their own side in a very personal way (eg by leaking confidential information or personal details such as addresses).

Sometimes these people are recognisable from what they post on online forums.

TL:DR - see Barracker's post

What angers me and other people that live in the "real world" is that feminists seem to think they are the only ones fighting this toxic ideology when the reality is that we are fighting in our own ways.

I think feminists are worried that they feel they are the only ones fighting and really want everyone to get involved. I can't see why you're angry about people trying to do apparently the same things as you? Reach out to them if you want them to know you are there, how would 'karen or tish' know about your experiences or that you want to talk to them unless you go up and talk to them?

I think OP I agree with others here - paracetamol and a pint of water.

One issue is, OP, that when people speak the truth, they're reported for transphobia.

To the police, here etc.

The double thinkers are forcing us to use double speak.

By the way, what is the view of the Church of England on all this?

There is a grain of truth in the OP:

Transing
Woke
TRA
GRA
Unicorns
Mermaids
WEP
Bro
LM
POMO
Peak

...are all terms that are used fairly freely within these threads and are rather impenetrable unless you puzzle them out via context.

It took me several months from first clicking on one of these threads to understand what the real issues were. I initially thought ‘transwoman’ was a woman in the process of changing to be a man and couldn’t really see what the fuss was about! 😂

On the issue of Tory women, I agree that most current opposition groups lean left and can see how that might be alienating for right wing women. The solution to that is for Tory women to create an organized group/multiple groups to oppose the changes that we're all concerned about. Penny Mordaunt, for example, seems like she would very much benefit from hearing from some women who support her party but think what she's supporting in regards to gender identity is completely barmy.

My label is Catholic. But actually when it comes to fighting the GRA the Catholic Church hasn’t bothered and feminists are the last women standing.

That translation helps a lot, thank you sausage.

I agree that the language doesn't need to be academic. To be honest, I think it's the type of person who wants to redefine the word "woman" to be a shifting constellation of docile, fragile sexuality, or have seventy five genders to choose from or whatever who is complicating the debate.

Most women find it easy to boil it down to "women don't have penises" and have done.

When I've been out leafletting, I ask people if I can talk to them about a government consultation, or if they are aware that women's rights are in danger.

One woman I leafletted with just bounced up to people and said "hey, do you know what a woman is?". She got the best reactions

Anyway, OP you seem to have taken this all very personally, not sure why.

Sausage - that's what I take from OP, also. In addition, OP votes Tory and doesn't feel WP is particularly welcoming to Tories?

Tish and Karen are both on Twitter.

I agree plain English Is important, but there are many women speaking out in different ways. Space for all women’s voices.

As I understand it the op went to the WP meeting but found the speakers spoke in jargon rather than saying ‘women don’t have penises’. Then they didn’t speak to the op.
The op believes that the WP speakers are making it too difficult for the average woman to understand.
However, OP, the kind of person who will go to a WP meeting has already joined the trans debate or they wouldn’t be there. A certain amount of back ground knowledge of the topic is assumed.
The average person in the street doesn’t know that the trans debate even exhists so you can tell them about it using simple language.

R u ok hun?

I think I know which Karen she means but no clue who Tish is. This seems like something that really ought to have been an email, or a PM.

Someone got very upset at the London meeting. I really felt for her but it seemed to be some personal issue with one of the contributers. So maybe something like that

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Helena, is that you?