Gender neutral toilets at Bournemouth Uni **Thread title edited by MNHQ**

www.independent.co.uk/life-style/women/sexual-assault-unisex-changing-rooms-sunday-times-women-risk-a8519086.html

Unisex are not only demonstrably more dangerous, they are also plain stupid PC pandering to a tiny minority.

I got told that I was silly to worry about self-id and women’s toilets because men can use our loos anyway and ‘lots of places are already using unisex toilets and they're fine’. Made me really rethink the chap I was talking to. Am I wrong?

Do they have urinals in them? If not, surely that annoys some men.

Do they have sanitary bins in them?

Men use urinals. Women use sanitary bins. Women and men have different bodies and so need different toilets

The biggest argument may be around overseas students. Money talks.

I was talking to an academic last week who claimed gender neutral loos were a complete nightmare. The new block she works in had gender neutral loos and overseas student girls were refusing to use them, choosing instead to walk some distance to another University building which had sex segregated loos. She felt very sorry that their needs were not taken into account.

The same will apply to girls from conservative communities in the UK.

Has the University undertaken an impact assessment, including consulting girls from overseas and those from minority communities? Will there be an impact on either student satisfaction levels from those groups, or in the level of take up in places?#

These are the things the University worries about!

Incidentally this is Bristol U

thetab.com/uk/bristol/2018/09/13/bristol-university-to-introduce-gender-neutral-bathrooms-in-all-buildings-34168

Note the sarcasm in the reporting. The suicide rate in Bristol is shocking and of real concern to students. Disability access in DD's building is poor at best. The SU has disappeared into a rabbit hole as far as addressing real student concerns. Annual spend of welfare = £1 million. Spend on gender neutral toilets = £3.4 million.

DH has moved to a new build office building which has a gender neutral toilet on each floor. No one appears to use them, preferring the single sex equivalents.

Just try asking people if they want mixed sex toilets? No one's ever asked - and that's because the majority would say, no, non, nope, no way.

The only way all this gets imposed on an unwilling population is through a lack of respect for people.

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At position to the op. I’ve read so much on these feminist threads and I’m absolutely on board - but struggling to put together a simple list of bullet points to oppose gender neutral loos. It would be much easier to write a dissertation on it.

An additional mixed sex area is fine, thats my preferred solution. I just totally disagree with making female spaces mixed sex (and it always seems to be the female ones for some odd reason...mens and non-men). Or colonising the disabled loos to label 'gender neutral' or whatever bollocks.

We have unisex, gender neutral toilets at work and the blokes leave the seats up. Plus the little cubicles open straight into the main open plan office/corridor thing and I get nervous incase the door hasn't locked properly.

Went and tracked down some women's only toilets at far end of building yesterday to find someone had shit all over the seat.

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The pedant in me wishes the op would report the thread and amend the title. It should read 'Bournemouth Uni'.

Unisex toilets aren't new, but the rate at which they are being built/allocated is new.

If they are designing unisex toilets, they really need to completely rethink how both men and women can urinate in them, and women aren't having to sit on it.

Unisex toilets aren't new though, are they?

And I use disabled toilets - they are all unisex. Should we have single sex disabled toilets too then?

I'm guessing urinals were invented as a quicker, easier, tidier way of men having a piss.

It's undeniable that men's wee gets on the seat, or the rim, or the floor. Drips. Any woman who cleans the family bathroom knows this.

Since this topic has come up, a lot of men have said it's not deliberate, it's just quite hard to aim. Hence urinals. (Although that doesn't explain why they can't use a bit of loo roll to wipe it up.)

Women don't have the luxury of peeing standing up. Very many women I know will never put their bum on a public loo seat. We hover. And of course it's far worse in a unisex loo.

There are all sorts of reasons I don't want unisex toilets. Drips are definitely one of them. But it's not the main one.

If they are designing unisex toilets, they really need to completely rethink how both men and women can urinate in them, and women aren't having to sit on it.

See? I can follow a conversation all by myself.

Less of a skill than being able to have an entire conversation with yourself, you have to admit.

You know, I had an adventurous youth, but the idea of sex in a toilet never appealed. The smell, the germs, the cold uncomfortable surfaces...it's not exactly an enticing setting, is it?

Back of the bike sheds was cold but infinitely preferable to all the toilet seat mess that the women are just as bad as the men at making, right?!

So this is an entire post, arguing against gender neutral toilets, but not worth anyone highlighting that it isn't a useful argument for keeping sex segregated toilets?

Well, you obviously thought so because you highlighted it, using NAMALT as your objection. So I snorted at NAMALT extending to toilet seats.

See? I can follow a conversation all by myself.

Anyway. Enough diversionary circularity. Good luck with getting he said she said to another forty pages. I think I'll have some lunch instead.

You know, I had an adventurous youth, but the idea of sex in a toilet never appealed. The smell, the germs, the cold uncomfortable surfaces...it's not exactly an enticing setting, is it?

WillChellam "Gender is a protected characteristic, like race, age sexuality."

No Will, gender reassignment is a protected characteristic [insofar as it applies to transsexuals], as is sex [ie; female and male].

See: www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2010/15/part/2/chapter/1

At my university the gender neutral loos have become a popular location for quickies.

Known as snogging sheds in schools, apparently.

The part aimed at women says "ladies, please remain seated for the entire performance".

There's a restaurant near me that has signage telling men to "stand closer - it's shorter than you think".

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA.

But, but, but... NAMALT!!

Indeed, it says that she has terrible taste in breakfast items.

But an excellent sense of when not engaging may be the wiser course of action.

Gender is a protected characteristic, like race, age sexuality.

No it is not. Who sold you that lie? Who comes up with this type of gaslighting?

GreyPJs

They’re vile because they’re filthy I mean. Piss everywhere. I don’t think it’s women’s piss, let’s put it that way!

So this is an entire post, arguing against gender neutral toilets, but not worth anyone highlighting that it isn't a useful argument for keeping sex segregated toilets?

Ok. And do go ahead posting about breakfast cereals please. Some might say it says more about you if you do that.

At my university the gender neutral loos have become a popular location for quickies.