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So true, Day.

I want to share this post. How dare they say on politics live that we have to compromise.

Tuck it, we are no longer in a democracy anyway. They funded TRA, they won't debate, they want totalitarianism.

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3385263-debbie-hayton-letter-times-05-10-18?msgid=81576634#81576634

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No women or girls consented, because we were never asked. One group of blokes lobbied another group of blokes to grant them access to women's spaces, and the latter group of blokes said "yes, in this specific set of circumstances". The fact that another group of blokes later came along, decided that they found the set of circumstances decided on earlier inconvenient, and demanded that the circumstances required to grant a legal right to enter those spaces be amended to "because I say so" is the immediate reason for a lot of women getting really angry and deciding that they've had just about enough of this shit, but that is a separate (though related) issue to the fact that we were never consulted or asked for our consent in the first place. And apparently old school transsexuals didn't think that mattered. Now that women are starting to realize that whatever previous sympathy some of us may have had for that specific group is fading rapidly for many.

You should always have asked us first. You didn't. We're allowed to be angry about that.

Arrans is good as an exhortation- remove the comma to make it a statement.

No males, no lies
Women, do not compromise!

Not quite the same but going for longer vowels - NB, will work in some accents more than others.

No males, no lies
Women will not compromise

• No males, no lies.

There is no compromise.'*

Good, but doesn't quite have the right rhythm to my ear.

No males, no lies
Women will not compromise

Its blokes who are allowed to raise questions in a much more confrontational way, and don't get patronised like us women do. .

Peter Tatchele , argh don't get me started, if I hear one more pro T going on about Ireland, as he did in that interview, Ill scream, yep you let blokes into female spaces , before you gave women the right to choose, great example there PT.

Sorry, I have a sorta ranty tourettes thing, when ever PT is mentioned.

But yes I saw that one on the BBC, there were gently raising questions, and got the, there there dear response.

It was discussed again today.

www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b0bl5h12/politics-live-05102018

I think the presenter is on a journey many of us have been on. She, Rachel Johnson and another woman were told patronisingly by Peter Tatchel and Matt Zarb-Cousins last week on the show that they had absolutely nothing to worry about when they all 3 women raised concerns about trans rights clashing with women’s/girl’s rights.

Ed Miliband former leader of the Labour party looks like a dangerous joke, he promoted a criminal GP who harms patients.

What do the BBC have to say about Nicky Campbell promoting the convicted GP on radio and Twitter?

If MPs feel scared and unprotected, how do they think their constituents feel? I’m a blind single mum who is also a lesbian and I live in the capital of wokedom, yet I have the guts to speak out, hand out leaflets and talk to the public and wear a T-shirt that clearly marks me out. I’m far more vulnerable than they are, so what’s their excuse? Too frightened to rock the apple cart in case they lose their status? Craven bastards! There’s not an ounce of backbone or integrity to share between the cowardly lot of them. Which ever side of history I end up on, at least I’ll be there because I did something.

So much this

I do genuinely think that she is being sneaky

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3385789-Helen-Webberley-found-guilty

Here comes the anger MPs.

Penny Mordaunt has no power.

Hahahahahahahahaha

No males, no lies.
There is no compromise.

I believe Penny Mordaunt is gender critical but is forced to sing the song louder than anyone else in order not to lose her job Somehow, from her repeated rhetoric and the flummery of her 'considered thoughts' I don't agree.

She has said categorically that TWAW and that is not up for discussion; spoke quite passionately at a Stonewall 'do' recently and repeats TWAW is the only viewpoint she will hear quite regularly.

And she doesn't respond to emails asking her how TWAW or how she intends to support natal women...

I don't give a stuff if MPs are scared. I have no sympathy. Firefighters don't get to be too scared to face fires, Police and Teachers don't get to walk away from the scary stuff, you take the job and the pay you do the job or you make way for someone who will. MPs are the one group with the power to call out this shit and stand up to it, and they are the one group who will be named and shamed to future generations if they don't.

'No males, no lies.
There is no compromise.

Badstyle, they are currently a laughing stock.

They can't keep their position in a totalitarian state, they will be overthrown by their overlords ordering them to say TWAW, the lies will not save them.

If MPs feel scared and unprotected, how do they think their constituents feel? I’m a blind single mum who is also a lesbian and I live in the capital of wokedom, yet I have the guts to speak out, hand out leaflets and talk to the public and wear a T-shirt that clearly marks me out. I’m far more vulnerable than they are, so what’s their excuse? Too frightened to rock the apple cart in case they lose their status? Craven bastards! There’s not an ounce of backbone or integrity to share between the cowardly lot of them. Which ever side of history I end up on, at least I’ll be there because I did something.

Much of this is about policy and zeitgeist rather than law. Totalitarian, as Day says - what we are seeing today has echoes of the Cultural Revolution and Year Zero.

I believe Penny Mordaunt is gender critical but is forced to sing the song louder than anyone else in order not to lose her job. With some MPs, I definitely think it's not fear exactly, more a belief that they can do more on the inside, for example I think many will be making representations to VA, testing the water with Justine as a senior BB, trying to let PM know that they won't walk through the lobby for this legislation.

I am at the point now where I believe we are in a totalitarian state.

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3385655-Scottish-Govt-Police-ad-in-Metro-Dear-transphobes

What I do blame them for is not coming out en masse and saying so.

Teresa May and her ministers can organise extra police protection then come out together and stop this.

They don't. They know this leads to totalitarianism.

They fund people to train professionals to lie. The professionals then push the lie on the public.

I can only assume this is government policy.

The government is a laughing stock.

The government has to deal with an angry public.

The government will not push totalitarianism on the already angry Brexit UK.

No males, no lies.
There is no compromise.

'The bullshit that MPs and ministers who have police protection are too scared is bollocks.'

I agree with most of what you say but MPs and their families have very little protection. Jo Cox was murdered, and lots of MPs have kids.
I don't blame them for being scared. What I do blame them for is not coming out en masse and saying so.