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Have just outed myself on Facebook

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tinabloodysparkle · 05/10/2018 11:13

Eek, just outed myself as GC on Facebook. Can I get some support please?

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ScrimshawTheSecond · 05/10/2018 16:52

I posted on fb about the 'woman' poster. Several women friends posted hesitant, coded messages that really suggested to me that we're all, if not outright gender critical, then certainly highly sceptical. I think most people are just too scared to say anything out loud.

tinabloodysparkle · 05/10/2018 16:22

Well done Fig, let us know how it goes - mine had no response and am breathing easier now!

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Ereshkigal · 05/10/2018 15:58

Well done WineThanks

thenightsky · 05/10/2018 15:56

Well done Fig. That's the one I put as my profile pic last night for all of 5 seconds before I panicked and took it off again.

Figlessfig · 05/10/2018 15:54

Oh fuck I’ve done it. The photo of the Liverpool poster (woman noun adult human female) is now my Facebook cover picture and I’ve commented that it was taken down because transactivists complained it was transphobic.

I am gonna get totally fucked over for this. But I don’t care. Enough is fucking enough.

(Sorry every second word is fuck, but I’m fucking terrified.)

Belonger · 05/10/2018 14:32

I also have a trans friend, and am very mindful of their feelings and also am genuinely supportive of their transition. I try always to post measured pieces but once shared a quite inflammatory post because I was wild with rage! It certainly caused debate but I took it down later because I knew it wasn't compassionate. So I try to balance my fierce concern with kindness, which I think we're all trying to do.

daughterofanarchy · 05/10/2018 14:16

I’m also out on Facebook but my GC posts are largely ignored, only recently have two or three people commented (on the transitioning /guides issues) and their position has been GC. I have to be very careful how I word things though due to my line of work.

Slumberparty · 05/10/2018 14:04

Well done OP! You have just inspired me to do the same. I am mostly a lurker on the FWR board but am shocked by what I am reading. I think most of my fb friends actually would have no idea about what 'self ID' even is let alone what it could lead to.
I wonder if I'll get any comments?!

Velella · 05/10/2018 13:30

I've been out on social media for quite a while. I know trans identifying people and have a friend whose son identifies as trans. I'm always careful to only post calm and measured pieces. I'm never rude or gratuitous but don't shy away from stating what I believe. I look at it like a religion. My good friends who believe in god have no problem with me thinking it's sky fairy nonsense.

I have lost a couple of friends and gained a couple of new ones and have had DM evidence that quite a few people who unthinkingly believed TWAW now do not due to articles and arguments I have posted.

I know not everybody can do this. But nearly everybody can. It is not scary out here. It is liberating.

Just remember the Pink News survey that showed only 18 % of people support self ID.

When you tell people that nearly all TW keep their penis they are amazed and they rethink their stance.

To quote Shakespeare: "There is a tide in the affairs of women, which taken at the flood, leads on to fortune. Omitted, all the voyage of their life is bound in shallows and in miseries. On such a full sea are we now afloat."

BitterAndOnlySlightlyTwisted · 05/10/2018 13:27

"I post on Facebook and no-one normally responds. I take comfort in the fact that people are reading though, even if they're too scared to comment"

I outed myself on FB yonks ago and never get any response of any kind to my sharing of WPUK, WNTT or FPFW. I either don't actually have any friends or they're too shit-scared to comment. I hope it's the latter! Whatever, I'll keep going because I need to for my own well-being

JillyArmeeen · 05/10/2018 13:21

I've been out for a while now, it is scary at first but it gets easier.
Most posts get no response at all..
A couple have had some comments from both sides.
I posted about Karen White specifically asking people to engage and got a few comments that led to some interesting conversation and points.
Plus I think comments keep things at the top of the feed so the more the better.
One person has private messaged me saying they agree and will fill in the consultation.

Callmejudith · 05/10/2018 13:01

I posted about Jacinta and got a good response. I will be sharing the consultation over the weekend. Fuck it.

Persifleur · 05/10/2018 12:59

Congratulations OP! Flowers
I haven't had the courage yet. If I did, I'd have to customise the post to exclude FB friends whom I know to be parents of trans people and those who are close friends of trans people, as I don't want to upset them pointlessly. But that feels a bit dishonest, so I haven't. I was tempted to post about 'Jacinta' but thought it might come across as goady. When I commented on someone else's thread to the effect it was biology that made women a caste (giving examples of selective abortion, FGM, rape, pregnancy etc) I was warned to watch my language.

I'm getting close to breaking point though. I may just post something about the self-id consultation.

MrMeeseekscando · 05/10/2018 12:33

I'm struggling with my Facebook to be honest.
Someone I've been friends with for decades is transitioning and had a hissy fit over some delayed treatment the other day.
I just can't bring myself to give a shit when I've known people die due to delayed diagnosis of serious illnesses.
I also can't bring myself to bring it up on Facebook as I'm not ready To lose friends.
Sad

HerFemaleness · 05/10/2018 12:29

The idea is more scary than the reality. I think I've been unfriended and blocked by an acquaintance who is a transwoman and that's it.

BingBongSong · 05/10/2018 12:26

I've posted a couple of posts in the past fortnight. Lots of likes for the first one (FPFW video) with one dissenter who ended up going off on one.

Quite a lot of likes for the link to the Manchester meeting.

I posted about Jacinta Brooks and was asked by a friend not to use it to stoke prejudice against trans women.

Recent post sharing Times article about the WPUK meeting had no response. I'm hoping people are reading it though.

arranfan · 05/10/2018 12:22

Well Done, OP!

Belonger - in an interview, Linda Bellos mentioned that she was about to go to Dublin and while there meet up with a friend from 30 years ago - they'd fallen out over politics but after a huge gap, find their way back to each other tho' she didn't entirely known how it would go.

Belonger · 05/10/2018 12:20

I've lost a dear friend because we cannot find common ground on this, but it feels OK - and I wonder if one day in the future we'll find our way back to our friendship. It's all been very polite and we tried our best to discuss it calmly.

DubaiismyBlackpool · 05/10/2018 12:07

I changed my Facebook picture to the dictionary definition, no one commented and 2 of my family 'liked' it. I have a friend who is now Nicola instead of Nicholas, none of our mutual friends or his wife have unfriended me just yet, but I think it's down to the supposed algorithm.

It was scary nailing my colours to the mast, but I'm glad I did it. Well done to all of us who have taken the plunge.
Incidentally, my DDs both feel they can't as they think they'll lose their jobs Sad. Free speech only as long as we all agree right? Hmm

Love to all of us especially the ones who can't publicly declare their views. Flowers

tinabloodysparkle · 05/10/2018 12:05

So far, so quiet - no one has responded.

C'mon Figless you can do it! All power to those that already have - I was literally shaking when I clicked.

Not quite the feminist warrior I'd like to be!!

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Belonger · 05/10/2018 12:04

I think the article in this week's Spectator is a good one to link to, because it's well written, includes examples of what the consequences of the GRA are, and is calm and reasonable. Also, and it pains me to say this, because it's written by a bloke it's less likely to be dismissed as women being hysterical. Shit though that is.

SuperSange · 05/10/2018 11:58

That's not to say it was easy, I did wrestle with it a bit. Then thought'fuck it' and did it anyway.

SuperSange · 05/10/2018 11:57

I changed my Facebook cover photo and nobody noticed. Smile

Belonger · 05/10/2018 11:55

And well done btw, and a hand hold from me!

Belonger · 05/10/2018 11:54

I've done it and it has been a bit nerve wracking, but I just couldn't stay silent. It's too important to me. I've had some disagreements but also someone pm me and we're going for a coffee to talk about it. A worthwhile success!

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