BBC respond to my complaint re the C word

It's not so much that 'cisgender' is derogatory, it's that it's nonsensical and simply not applicable to most women. So it's non-inclusive language.

So I complained again and got this

Elizabeth Cobbe (The Independent)
'I do not agree that we "misgendered" the protestors - we identified them as women.

While I appreciate some disagree with the term "cisgender", we do not consider it to be a derogatory term. If one of the women we described in these terms wishes to make a complaint, we will of course consider her concerns fully; however, as a general point we do not consider "cisgender" to be discriminatory.'

I complained again and got the third response (which I copied earlier)

I've just looked at the original article and there is a glossary of trans terms in the middle of the story with guess what cisgender.

Re The Inde. That was my third response after I pushed them for more.

I initially complained about using 'c' word when the Get the L out women were at Pride.

Their first response was
'would be grateful if you could clarify your concerns - is it your position that the small group protesting did not, in fact, identify as women? Or is it rather the term "cisgender" that you object to?

With kind regards
Elizabeth Cobbe

So we now have to be referred to with a negative qualifier? Isn’t it rather dehumanising to refer to people by comparing them to what they are not? We clearly have a hierarchy of woman now and we’re at the bottom.

White people and people who aren’t white, would they think that is acceptable?

a description of people who identify with the sex they were assigned at birth.

Did you follow up? Only rare intersex people (not even most of them nowadays) have a sex 'assigned' at birth.

The vast majority of women simply are the sex they were observed to be at birth.

You know that, I know that, pretty much every parent knows that.

FFS.

That's incredibly abusive from the Indie.

The irony: 'A free press ought not to feel intrinsically inhibited by the possibility of offending religious sentiment or, frankly, any cultural values – be they normative or not.'

Clearly, this does not apply to transgender.

This is the BBC's woke bedfellow's The Independent's response to my criticism of the 'c' word

we do not consider "cisgender" to be derogatory, but rather simply a description of people who identify with the sex they were assigned at birth.

The Independent is not currently part of the system of self-regulation overseen by IPSO. You can find out more about our position here: www.independent.co.uk/voices/comment/the-only-way-is-ethics-proper-journalism-does-not-set-out-to-upset-religious-readers-but-it-may-be-unavoidable-9717191.html.

<a class="break-all" href="https://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=rocketreach.co/bbc-email-format_1762&ved=2ahUKEwiRle_64u7dAhVHF8AKHfDtBCkQFjAAegQIARAB&usg=AOvVaw1_cGDT2bNZiMl2RHvdWeVM&cshid=1538724392878" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">direct email format

So apparently half of BBC direct email addresses are first name dot last name dot bbc dot Co dot UK (see link)

Director will be more senior than Head.

That's the exact same response I've had from them. Will complain again...

Someone called Keith Jones is head of complaints? I don't know if director of complaints is different?

<a class="break-all" href="https://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=www.bbc.co.uk/corporate2/insidethebbc/managementstructure/biographies/jordan_david&ved=2ahUKEwiZvNDY4e7dAhVLLMAKHXkzAzAQFjABegQICxAE&usg=AOvVaw0sl-vA9vRHqdXucm2vGE-D" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">who leads this bbc policy

Ive now been waiting for four weeks for a follow-up to my original complaint, to which their reply was wholly inadequate.

I’m dug in now though, and I’m not going anywhere!

They aren't ignorant, they picked a side.

We need impartial reporting!

This derogatory labelling would simply not be done with other protected categories under the equality Act than sex.

Can you imagine the insulting equivalent being used as a label for people of a race, or religious group, or sexuality?

The BBC are not applying neutral terms or being impartial here. They have been lobbied and are now forcing a descriptor on to women that is heavily contested and dangerously politicised.

Ignorance is not an excuse. They have been complained to and told why it’s wrong and they have picked a side. It’s completely unacceptable.

Complaints link here:

www.bbc.co.uk/faqs/comment_appreciation

Complaints are good, including progressing the complaint when they lie to you try to fob you off.

I have also replied to the BBC to point out that their email to me was misleading. Can't believe they did that - they would have got away with it too if weren't for you meddling vipers, as I took their reply at face value.

I hate it too. We need to fight back.

I genuinely hate this term - I am woman; adult human female!

Reported my own post, did not intend to identify account