BBC respond to my complaint re the C word

Your guys are taking this next level. I am loving your work!

oh sorry and also @pennydrew - frankly you sound much scarier than me. Respect. I shall be following along behind with my dot points rest assured.

@Charliethefeminist - when they start to mess with my dictionary definitions they have GONE TOO FAR. Was on the bus on the way home drafting furious but succinct dot points in my head. Hell hath no fury like a woman whose dictionary definition is under threat.

@ErrolTheDragon - I'm seriously flipping fuming. If anything its the poor intellectual logic of it.

To the keyboard!

Gosh if they would decide to use female or something, that would be OK, but literally they would run it past Helen Belcher first.

I suppose you could suggest that if they think people don't understand the word 'woman' any more they could simply clarify it by reference to the dictionary - thusly :

' The motion, which proposed treating all transwomen the same as women (adult human females) ...'

I feel like one of these days I'm going to explode.

I get a hint from your NN that you're a little bit annoyed. But could get a lot more annoyed.

I can hear you rolling your sleeves up with relish

They have no idea how very comfortable I am with escalating things...

if the BBC insists on locating the word woman by reference to people who do not have the biology of a woman and who have a penis, can the BBC please confirm what word it will now use to describe the class of people who were previously described as women

Especially this

Ffs that's brilliant

Have also escalated..

I would like this complaint to be escalated on three grounds:

• it did not deal with the grounds of my original complaint that the use of the word “cisgender” is biased towards a particular political ideology

• that the word “cisgender” is still displayed on the webpage.

• that the replacement phrase “women who are not transgender” is equally as offensive and biased as the word cisgender.

Being a woman is a biological fact - not a feeling. A very small number of people in the population suffer from the complex health problem of sex/gender dysphoria. The fact that a very small number of the population have a significant health condition which leads to an internal conflict on the nature of their biological body does not mean that the fundamental definition of woman should be changed.

There is a political ideology of transgender rights which takes the position that womanhood is based on an internal identity. The “gender identity” of a woman is based on stereotypical cliches of femininity. It is a political movement which is associated with various acts of repression and violence towards women and their rights. More importantly, it is a political ideology and a political movement. It is not a mainstream accepted belief. For the BBC to take the position of this particular ideology is a clear base of bias.

I am a woman because of my biology. If a “gender identity” was assigned to me at birth it was one based on repressive stereotypes of women’s behaviour and place in society which I wholesale reject. This does not mean that I reject being a woman.

In its response to my complaint escalation, I would like the BBC to confirm that it will use the word woman as a description to describe a person with the biological makeup of a woman and that it will not qualify or place this word in reference to people who have an internal identity that they personally feel accords with some indefinable notion of womanhood, but who still have a penis. If the BBC insists on locating the word woman by reference to people who do not have the biology of a woman and who have a penis, can the BBC please confirm what word it will now use to describe the class of people who were previously described as women.

I look forward to a more considered response to my complaint.

I know a health professional who refers to himself as a cisgender man. It does happen.

A woke bloke choosing to virtue-signal is a very different matter to 'cis' being applied generally.

I know a health professional who refers to himself as a cisgender man. It does happen.

Follow the official BBC complaints procedure to escalate it.

Thanks - I'll PM her.

Please escalate this. It's not recognising that cis is a controversial term, which breaches their statutory (charter) duty to be impartial. They don't have to agree it's offensive, but shouldn't take sides.
The change and response makes it worse.

Well done pennywise
And yes, the Independent is an absolute shitrag.
BBC picked their side a while ago. Be interesting to see their next response to you.
IStandWithPosie - you're right, I've never seen the term cisman in print. Funny how men get to keep their sex category clearly defined in common language.

Do you know, I have yet to see the word “cisman” being used ANYWHERE. I’ve never seen it. That’s not to say it hasn’t been used, but I certainly haven’t seen it. “Ciswoman”, I have seen plenty of. Odd that.

That's the one. Might be worth you trying to PM her, Hands?

BlytheByName

One of the pride protesters was on MN, can anyone remember her NN? - iirc Blithe-something ... maybe she'd like to make that complaint.