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PM radio four - Stonewall petition

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FreezerBird · 04/10/2018 17:05

At the top of this evening's PM programme they've trailed 'live debate' about the Stonewall petition.

Does anyone know who's on?

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BoreOfWhabylon · 04/10/2018 18:01

pennydrew it will be on catchup on iplayer soon.

marycontraryquite · 04/10/2018 18:01

Caroline Quinn I think. She was fantastic. Hoping it rang alarm bells for anyone who doesn't really appreciate the issues. I like how she said 'Thank you' to Ruth Best at the end - she sounded very hesitant.

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BoreOfWhabylon · 04/10/2018 18:01

Let's hope this means the BBc will now be allowing more balanced coverage of this.

@JonnyBest was outstanding! Mwah mwah mwah!!!

pennydrew · 04/10/2018 18:00

Darn, missed it

NotNachoing · 04/10/2018 17:59

*deliberately misleading because she's not only referring to them.

heresyandwitchcraft · 04/10/2018 17:59

NO, that is not at all what the GRA means. It is not enshrined in law that "trans women are women" just because they say so. It's a legal fiction granted to a few individuals after they have gone through a verifiable process, and there are clear sex-based exemptions that still exist even for those with a GRC! The whole reason you are PUSHING FOR SELF-ID is because the law DOES NOT say that all self-declared trans women ARE women.
The breathtaking way at the end of she says "look forward to the outcome of the consultation" as though Stonewall has already "fixed it"......

ErrolTheDragon · 04/10/2018 17:59

I may have shouted a few swear words during the second half.

It wasn't a 'debate', maybe that was just as well but would have been better if Johnny had been allowed a brief response to what Hunt said.

Still - even handed coverage from the BBC is progress!

Well done Johnny.

ShotsFired · 04/10/2018 17:59

Let's not forget this just went out on the BBC

For them this is a massive volte-face from previous.

Ruth Hunt has simply confirmed what we knew, no big deal.

trenchant · 04/10/2018 17:59

Well, I think that answers any lingering doubts about wether Stonewall give a shit about women.

silentcrow · 04/10/2018 17:58

Excellent interviewer there (who was it, I didn't catch her name?). That does not sound like a woman who has drunk the koolaid, lots of challenge and presenting the absurdity of the no debate position.

I hope Women's Hour was listening. Angry

scepticalwoman · 04/10/2018 17:58

But yes, that was a very good and balanced interview. Who'd have thought it on the BBC!

NotNachoing · 04/10/2018 17:58

Jonathan was brilliant.

What exactly was RH referring to in the law? Does she mean that once someone has the GRC they're a trans woman? Because if so, she's deliberately misleading.

Manderleyagain · 04/10/2018 17:58

I'm sure that is such a misrepresented of the law. It's a legal fiction so in most cases tw are treated as if women. But the exemptions can be used. We really need to address this using the courts.

SonicVersusGynaephobia · 04/10/2018 17:58

"Trans women are women"

No, the GRA said transwomen WITH A GRC are women, Ruth.

Not bearded, hairy, penis wagglers.

And Stonewall have forgotten that lesbians are also a minority who are discriminated against, and that their policy eradicates lesbianism as a same-sex attraction.

BoreOfWhabylon · 04/10/2018 17:58

Carolynn Quinn I think Somerville. She didn't pussyfoot around did she?

scepticalwoman · 04/10/2018 17:57

And there is the problem. Stonewall have been running round the country telling everyone that TWAW - in complete defiance of the actual law

2 + 2 = 5 - every. single. time.

Vango · 04/10/2018 17:57

I can’t believe there was no mention of Stonewall’s trans umbrella? Would Ruth agree that cross-dressers are women?

AbsintheFriends · 04/10/2018 17:57

Such a shame they didn't go back to Jonny Best at the end - who was MAGNIFICENT and had Ruth Hunt totally on the back foot.

Least biased coverage I've heard yet.

happydappy2 · 04/10/2018 17:57

Sadly the law does allow a TW to be recognised as F under the law-it is a legal fiction and needs to be challenged.

PyeWackets · 04/10/2018 17:56

The law does not state that males are females, not at all.

RedToothBrush · 04/10/2018 17:56

Not listening.

Let me guess she's trying to pretend there's no debate, whilst debating live on radio about why there is no debate and this is in no way a circular point that just proves there is a debate that Stonewall are trying to shut down?

happydappy2 · 04/10/2018 17:56

Ruth sticks to the letter of the law that TWAW.....she is so blinkered its sickening

Latinista · 04/10/2018 17:55

“The law is very clear that trans women are women”. Ruth are you joking? It absolutely does not say that.

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FreezerBird · 04/10/2018 17:55

She is wrong about the law, surely?

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