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PM radio four - Stonewall petition

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FreezerBird · 04/10/2018 17:05

At the top of this evening's PM programme they've trailed 'live debate' about the Stonewall petition.

Does anyone know who's on?

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thatdamnwoman · 04/10/2018 18:34

You can email Carolyn Quinn and PM here:

[email protected]

The only thing the BBC responds to is pressure so make it clear how you felt about that interview. I'm sure the TRAs will.

TimeLady · 04/10/2018 18:31

A gay man discussing women's rights is being listened to by the BBC.

You were great, Jonny, I heard you live, but the BBC really are beneath contempt on this issue.

Charliethefeminist · 04/10/2018 18:28

What did they do on the r4 six? Reporter or just newsreader

Beamur · 04/10/2018 18:27

Interesting how RH was downplaying the role of Stonewall.

Starkstaring · 04/10/2018 18:27

The news article just on - finally - although it implied that the debate was about transgender people's "right to exist", which of course it is not.

Beamur · 04/10/2018 18:27

Very good clear reporting and lots of mentions of the consultation.

ChrysanthemumsAreMums · 04/10/2018 18:27

Twisted

"Oh yes; we have no power". Her pants are on fire

Charliethefeminist · 04/10/2018 18:25

Wow

ChiaraRimini · 04/10/2018 18:25

Just been reported again on R4 6 o'clock news. AT LAST!!!

Hornets · 04/10/2018 18:23

Oooh they're just reporting on the petition and Times letter on radio 4 six o'clock news!

BoreOfWhabylon · 04/10/2018 18:22

On R4 news now! Jonny again.

TwistedStitch · 04/10/2018 18:19

She had no comment at all on the impact upon women because away from a prewritten statement it isn't something she can argue. There is already factual evidence of the impact on women. So she will just ignore it and hide behind a (wrong) interpretation of the law.

It's also a bizarre argument that she has to respect/ uphold this supposed law when Stonewall is currently campaigning for the law to be changed, and have also regularly fought against laws in the past. Did Stonewall spout that the law said marriage was between a man and a woman so that was that?

DuggeesWoggle · 04/10/2018 18:16

Shame JB didn't get the chance to challenge RH a bit more, perhaps to clarify all the different permutations of trans that Stonewall recognise. But I bet it was all timed to the second to ensure nobody got to speak a fraction longer than the other. Shame Carolyn Q didn't just clarify the law and the fact that it doesn't just say'all transwomen are women, yes even those who are only women on Thursdays' which is essentially Stonewall's position I guess.

I think SW showed themselves up to be very intolerant and arrogant, not to even acknowledge that the position they promote could be problematic for many groups. Very much 'talk to the hand'.

WeWantJustice · 04/10/2018 18:11

Ruth Hunt was lying about the legal status of transwomen. Also I wish people would say "what exactly counts as a transwoman?"

Because that rapist Karen White counted by Stonewall's definition, though not by the law's.

TerfedOff · 04/10/2018 18:09

Actually I really enjoyed that the presenter was very intelligent seemed completely engaged with the issues and knew what was going on.

I would have liked Ruth Hunt to have been challenged over why she has discarded lesbians and is not also considering their rights.

However they can't do everything in one small segment. We need an hour long programme on this not just a 5-minute snippet.

ChrysanthemumsAreMums · 04/10/2018 18:07

Thank you Carolyn Quinn

trenchant · 04/10/2018 18:06

I don't think Quinn could have raised her eyebrows higher

Melamin · 04/10/2018 18:05

Carolyn Quinn is a huge improvement on the chap on Today (whose name I can't remember for the moment)

OldCrone · 04/10/2018 18:05

Pressed post too soon. The GRA says that transwomen with a GRC can be treated as women for most purposes, but there are exemptions under some circumstances. It does not say that 'transwomen are women'. That is a lie.

Helmetbymidnight · 04/10/2018 18:05

He was good, that RH is very fluent but has that David Davis type sneeriness to her tone- it’s intended to put off greater probing I think.

OldCrone · 04/10/2018 18:02

No, the GRA said transwomen WITH A GRC are women, Ruth.

Not bearded, hairy, penis wagglers.

TorchesTorches · 04/10/2018 18:02

Thanks for this I just listened to it live. Carolyn Quinn (was it her) sounded as if she was barely suppressing rage when talking to Stonewall Ruth.

Melamin · 04/10/2018 18:02

Transmen not men then?

CottonTailRabbit · 04/10/2018 18:02

That was fantastic. Ruth Hunt came out and said repeatedly that transwomen are women without engaging at all in the rights of women. That will peak some of the audience.

Unfortunately nobody mentioned that 85% of transwomen have fully intact male genitals. Nobody mentioned transwomen as lesbians. Hopefully there will be further interviews.

I am so relieved to have heard a proper interview about this on R4. Hopefully the BBC is getting its head out of its arse. I was on the point of campaigning against the license fee I was so incensed that I could not remove my business from the BBC like I could for Ocado (eat a tonne of Birds Eye products now too. Potato.)

marycontraryquite · 04/10/2018 18:02

Doh! Ruth Hunt.

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