PM radio four - Stonewall petition

No, the GRA said transwomen WITH A GRC are women, Ruth.

And Ruth also forgot to mention the sex based exemptions...

In a way I wish Best had made more of the way Stonewalls policies are basically homophobic. Sadly no-one gives a shit about the rights of women and girls, but if it can be made clear that Stonewall is actually undermining gay and lesbian people (of the same-sex attraction variety) then it may have more of an impact.

But then - she lies. She is lying on that interview. All that guff about how little influence they have

Errol

Yes. I think maybe that's it. I feel, somehow, she's been bullied

The legal situation isn't as simple as either side would like.

As I've said before; she fascinates me. Lesbian, girls school, all women's college. Yet no fellow-feeling for women.

Maybe her problem is she doesn't have much understanding of men. Heterosexual men, the sort who predate women.

Waiting to see if it's raised in Any Questions tomorrow..or, rather, if a raised question gets aired.

How can one listen to it?

Johnny is the perfect person to challenge Stonewall for people to open their eyes. And I am very positive Posie made this possible after her appearances.

As I've said before; she fascinates me. Lesbian, girls school, all women's college. Yet no fellow-feeling for women.

I tried about three times to convey how much visceral hatred I have for Ruth Hunt without sounding like I’d like to crush her but I’ve failed, so I’d better leave it at that. This dyke is very angry.
So is this one. Well put.

No, the GRA said transwomen WITH A GRC are women, Ruth.

This is such an important fact, and one which the TAs deliberately leave out.

A gay man discussing women's rights is being listened to by the BBC

yup

thanks Jonny , I know it's not your fault that you're being listened to, and you came across fabulously

but fucking hell the beeb - what is wrong with you?

it got on the 6 o clock news though. this is serious progress

Good point Sonic and Terfed re lesbians. Ruth was adamant to portray Stonewall as supporting the rights of LGBTQetc but she is clearly throwing the Ls under the bus.

It sounds like Johnny was excellent, but man does it boil my piss that it takes a man speaking out to get so much as 5 minutes off the BBC.

I tried about three times to convey how much visceral hatred I have for Ruth Hunt without sounding like I’d like to crush her but I’ve failed, so I’d better leave it at that. This dyke is very angry.

I missed it. I'll have to do catch up. Brilliant Johnny spoke.

I know what women are saying. Why should a man be more credible. It fucking sucks, but it's true.

On another note, apparently the University of Art in London has teamed up with Vice to help demolish women's rights (fucking vice!)

www.arts.ac.uk/stories/news?college=newsevents&news_id=54332

On 9 October 2018, UAL will co-host Recognise Me: an open drop-in event that encourages all UAL students, staff and supporters to respond to the open government consultation calling for public views on how to reform the Gender Recognition Act 2004.

In an LGBQT government survey, the transgender community reported having to endure a costly, intrusive and lengthy process to ‘prove’ their gender identity in order to get legal recognition. In response, the government seeks public opinion on whether that process should be made easier and more streamlined.

This act of deceit that it's all about trans-people, with no impact on anyone else, is bringing me out in hives.

Johnny Best was amazing but it is sad that we need a man to stand up for women's rights against -Aunt- -Lydia- a woman

It is.

But the reason - the other reason apart from the obvious, I mean - that a gay man, who has specifically been involved in activism and gay arts events, speaking out is effective is because of its impact on the cognitive dissonance that's at play here. It makes it harder for people to lazily decide on which "side" to pick based on one of them being Stonewall-the-great-and-good-for-gay-rights. Because he is exactly the type of person your average listener thinks Stonewall stands for.

It shakes up people's complacency about what they are hearing. It makes them more likely to have to question themselves,

Saying transwomen are women is like saying 2+2=fish

Was it definitely Carolyn Quinn? Somebody has suggested it was Sarah Montague on Twitter just wanted to make sure before I email

Johnny Best was amazing but it is sad that we need a man to stand up for women's rights against -Aunt- -Lydia- a woman

Well done Caroline Quinn. She was fantastic.
Just listened to it on iPlayer radio - from 45 mins.

I've emailed pm said how good Caroline Quinn was at persisting in trying to get to the heart of the issue, and asking them to give more time to explore why women's rights are under threat.

Johnny Best was fantastic.
This feels a game changer that we knew was needed: gay people challenging stonewall.
That's why it's now on the BBC.

Ruth hunts position was weak: 'we don't host the debate'.
No, but you do stand quietly by while TRAs intimidate women.

Johnny's point about academics losing posts and people in the BBC bring scared to speak out, should start to bring all the free speechers onboard, who hadn't been listening when it just seemed like a spat between feminists and TRAs.
People are being alerted to the oppressive nature of the trans ideology, and I think that's going to be the thing that changes this.

I wish they had asked RH if men can be lesbians.

Johnny Best was amazing. Great how he got his point across about people contacting him who are scared of losing their jobs. Including people who work at the BBC. He managed to get so much in in a short time. The interviewer was fab too!