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Holy crap I've approached friends about GRA and now I'm crapping myself a bit!

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tellmewhenthespaceshiplands · 03/10/2018 20:33

So I’ve been following the trans discussions both here and in the press for a while now and I’m scared of how women are losing their voice and could be losing rights very soon. What is odd is that in RL no one I know has mentioned it. Ever. Not once.

So after watching so many brave women really putting their heads above the parapet tonight I’ve bit the bullet and sent a text to my close friends giving them the link to the GRA consultation and some reasons why I think it’s of interest to them to at least look at. This topic is something none of them have mentioned even knowing of.

Although I feel proud of myself for doing it I’m slightly shitting myself about the “friendship “ fallout and worried they think I’m bigot! Is this the adrenaline talking??!! Please talk me down

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DayMay · 03/10/2018 22:20

It really is safe to speak to the public, I always do it where there is CCTV. I avoid people who have unnatural hair dye and go after lone women. The worst I have experienced is TWAW chants and wounded at having their identity of believing in jumping souls questioned.

tellmewhenthespaceshiplands · 03/10/2018 22:19

First time I've posted on this board too. It's good to know it's ok to start with small steps. Tomorrow I'm going to try and talk to a physical person about it. And then I'm going to complete my consultation thing (only got half way through today). Feels ace to actually DO.
Goodnight all Smile

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littlbrowndog · 03/10/2018 22:17

Och not one person I know thinks that guys can becom3 women
It’s a wee fantasy
I never met or spoke to one person who believes this shite

mrswarthog · 03/10/2018 22:16

I think it's the first time I've ever said 'That's fucking inappropriate' at a coffee morning Grin

FekkoTheLawyer · 03/10/2018 22:15

I hope you enlightened her.

mrswarthog · 03/10/2018 22:12

I was harangued at a Macmillan coffee morning on Friday by someone I know well, a committed feminist, an activist for RASA & an organiser of Reclaim the Streets for my city.

Because I work at the venue that WPUK held their meeting at last week. She accused my organisation, my colleagues & me of being bigoted and hate-mongering.
I've actually peak-transed over the past week and have not shut up, and will not shut up about the GRC. I've spoken to school mums, colleagues, strangers.

FekkoTheLawyer · 03/10/2018 22:06

I found old Pip Pip did the job for me.

DayMay · 03/10/2018 22:03

If you come up against someone who believes TWAW it's like Brexit.

Nobody knows about it, people are not going to beat you up, most are grateful they are being told and are cross this is being pushed through stealth.

I agree get out on the streets and talk to people. You don't need a t-shirt or leaflets just a newspaper.

Prestonsflowers · 03/10/2018 21:58

Ffs it’s nothing like Brexit
Nobody in this country could say that they weren’t aware that there was a vote on Remain in the EU or leave the EU

The BBC and the Guardian have mostly been silent
The only mainstream newspapers that have touched on this are
The Times
The Telegraph
The Daily Mail
The Spectator
I’ve spoken to many people in RL and not one has believed me, so I just repeat myself and eventually it sinks in.
Unless we all talk to people, self Id will happen
All we can do is keep raising this issue

FionaJT · 03/10/2018 21:57

After sharing a few fairly tame things on Facebook ( to very little response) I shared the Jacinta Brook article and the link to the consultation and am now involved in a several day long 'discussion' with a friend (who I rarely see offline) who is very 'woke'. It's a bit stressful, a couple of other people have chipped in in support of her but I'm plugging away and hoping that other people are reading snd something is getting through, even if it just that it's ok to discuss it. Hate it though as i usually stay prettu quiet on social media.

SonicVersusGynaephobia · 03/10/2018 21:49

I ask if that's not a woman are any of them women?
If that is a woman am I a woman?

Good way to put it. If anyone said that monster was as much of a woman as I am I'd hit the fucking roof.

Sarahjconnor · 03/10/2018 21:43

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DayMay · 03/10/2018 21:38

I have gone beyond my own social circle now. Every time I am out in public I start conversations and the vast majority don't believe the shit about floating souls jumping in and out of bodies being peddled by the Elite.

Thirtyrock39 · 03/10/2018 21:38

I'm getting more confident at work raising the issue and actually at work have raised concerns in meetings about labelling children just because they may not be stereotypically acting according to 'gender' and women's rights (nhs) which have had positive responses ...still get a lot of 'it's the modern world it's a new world anybody can be anybody' type of comments
I also asked on our brownies group chat for a contact to reply to the infamous email - I didn't feel brave enough to say what my concerns were but said that it's an issue that has been very controversial hoping other parents and leaders would read it and read between the lines

silentcrow · 03/10/2018 21:35

tellme thank you. It's become part of a safeguarding issue and I was so upset when I got home I just cried at my mum and said I wished I didn't know a damn thing about any of it. It's literally lapping up on my doorstep now - no more can I talk myself into thinking it won't touch our sleepy town and sensible schools.

Please, please fill in the consultation, everyone, please. This shit is harming children everywhere.

Destinysdaughter · 03/10/2018 21:33

I like many other women have gone to the no fucks given fairly recently. For me, it was Twitter suspending me for saying that AC was in fact male. And the next day my Twitter account was hacked. I can’t prove it was AC that did it but ( they have form...)

adulthumanfemail · 03/10/2018 21:32

Currently on Twitter

Holy crap I've approached friends about GRA and now I'm crapping myself a bit!
Beamur · 03/10/2018 21:31

I've spoken about this to many of my friends, not in a big 'OMG' kind of way, just naturally amongst general conversation. All of the women bar 2 agreed or offered their own independent thoughts on how women are being harmed/ignored/marginalised. Of the 2 who were less GC, one has a transman friend and was very protective of him, but as we talked she could see the problems too.
My SD is on the fence and another friend of mine is a youth worker and can only see the positives of inclusion and refuses the discuss it any further.

SonicVersusGynaephobia · 03/10/2018 21:29

I have said to a few people. Inuding one friend who told me she thinks TWAW but of course they shouldn't compete in women's sports Hmm

I might print out the FPFW guidance and give it to people in work and send them the consultation link... I'm almost at the "no fucks given" stage. Go on, sack me for saying women don't have penises.

SpartacusAutisticusAHF · 03/10/2018 21:29

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museumum · 03/10/2018 21:26

Everyone I know say “transwomen are not a threat to cis women”

Tbh I do agree with that in relation to the few actual “transwomen” I’ve known in real life. But they just don’t believe me that with self ID any man can say he’s a woman at any time.
Tbh I’m one of those who don’t mind “real” transwomen in some female spaces but I’ve no idea how one would police real transwomen vs fake ones. It’s all too hard Sad

rightreckoner · 03/10/2018 21:24

I recognise feeling like a mad conspiracy theorist. Especially since the BBC and other previously trusted news outlets are not reporting this.

However the Girl Guides and Pips Bunce are usually all I need. People are pretty appalled at the Guides already - that seems widely known. Then I show them Philip Bunce and then show people the ludicrous outfit and the gaslighting with winning women’s awards and bam - they’re done.

The only ones who didn’t get it are my sex positive friends who work, tangentially, in the industry. They are heavily invested in expressing every sexual idea you’ve ever had - they haven’t noticed that it’s men’s sexual ideas only - and they don’t have children so are not alert to safeguarding.

BettyFloop · 03/10/2018 21:23

I'm telling everyone too. No iffy reactions so far - and I've told a lot of people Smile

Destinysdaughter · 03/10/2018 21:18

Tonight I sent a male friend the pic of Posie in her woman: adult human female tee shirt in front of the poster that got banned and he was so confused and couldn’t understand what the issue was!

Destinysdaughter · 03/10/2018 21:16

I spoke to my older sister about it recently. She was very incredulous as firstly she said, if it was such a big deal as I was claiming, why hadn’t it been reported in The Guardian or the BBC?

Secondly she did not realise that over 80% of ‘transwomen’ had not had surgery. She assumed that they had. I’ve sent her a few links but I honestly felt like some mad conspiracy theorist as the incidents we all know about sound so far fetched that pp literally can’t believe they’re true!

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