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Holy crap I've approached friends about GRA and now I'm crapping myself a bit!

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tellmewhenthespaceshiplands · 03/10/2018 20:33

So I’ve been following the trans discussions both here and in the press for a while now and I’m scared of how women are losing their voice and could be losing rights very soon. What is odd is that in RL no one I know has mentioned it. Ever. Not once.

So after watching so many brave women really putting their heads above the parapet tonight I’ve bit the bullet and sent a text to my close friends giving them the link to the GRA consultation and some reasons why I think it’s of interest to them to at least look at. This topic is something none of them have mentioned even knowing of.

Although I feel proud of myself for doing it I’m slightly shitting myself about the “friendship “ fallout and worried they think I’m bigot! Is this the adrenaline talking??!! Please talk me down

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ThisIsTheFirstStep · 04/10/2018 06:46

I have discussed it with a gay male friend who is younger than me (in his mid 20s) and he kind of agrees and kind of doesn't, he said he had got off with a transmale and he was ok with snogging but was not into the fact that they had a vulva. He said one of his other friends called him transphobic for not going all the way.

He's a well-educated and smart guy. He's actually very pro-women's rights (much more so than most young men I know) and not just in a wokebro way, he does actually listen to what I have to say on the matter. But of course he's also pro-LGBT so he is conflicted (I mean, I'm pro-LGBT too fgs!! This is the worst part of this whole fandango!)

Anyway, I can discuss it with him because he's not the type to hold people's political opinions against them, which is why we get on, I guess.

Woke female friends...I haven't mentioned it, though I have skirted around it with a couple of them.

I just can't believe how many people are letting science be trumped by woke-ism. Ridiculous.

DayMay · 04/10/2018 06:37

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/stonewall-backing-transgender-bullies-slvn00vng?shareToken=e476f008a8b17f0918a7119fe0051caa

Tell people they will be laughing no more when we see living North Korea style, PM is wanting to send us for re-education, she's not a democratic MP.

Fuck this.

I am going out on the streets again today with the Times.

Littlemouseroar · 04/10/2018 06:09

If people say they dont believe, send them to the consultation. They can read what is going on and make up their minds then.

DuckingGoodPJs · 04/10/2018 05:02

Most of my friends/family think the idea of self id so ridiculous that they dont believe "it could possibly happen" and therefore dont take the threat seriously. And therefore dont feel the need to protest. sad And yes I get a lot of "if this was real it'd be on the news".

This has been my IRL experience too. Even one woke (therapist) seemed convinced there was no danger because she thought they were all gay males who had had the chop (transsexuals). But most are "if it was happening, it would be in the news". My sister is "it will never happen". I just really don't know where to go after that.

Littlemouseroar · 04/10/2018 03:31

Going into uni tomorrow. Crapping myself a little but will take some info about the consultation just in case anyone is interested. I can just remember being a young student and thinking feminism was stupid because we’d aleady won. Oh the lessons i had to learn..,

DisrespectfulDodo · 04/10/2018 02:08

I'm handing out leaflets tomorrow

FlowerpotFairyHouse · 04/10/2018 00:05

I tell people occasionally. Most of them think I've misunderstood or am exaggerating.

I told 2 last week.

I sent the Dick Boldly Goes video and a couple of messages to a couple of friends just outlining the issues.

One laughed because they thought the video was funny and didn't realise it referred to something that was really happening.

The other thought my phone had been hacked.

No one knows about it.

My fear about sharing isn't about 'woke' friend's calling me a bigot. I'm more concerned about people thinking I'm a gullible 'conspiracy theorist' and losing credibility!

krisskross · 03/10/2018 23:47

Ive been lurking on some of these threads for ages and had my eyes opened.

Im not aware of the consultation
...who is doing it?

Please link, thanks

ahagwearsapointybonnet · 03/10/2018 23:40

I have done quite a bit in terms of writing letters, meeting MP and schools etc, but for various reasons not dared to bring it up much in real life up till now, or on my more personal social media (partly due to some of my contacts). Also I'm not the sort of person who's that good at starting up conversations. But I have kicked myself up the backside lately and got some family members to do the consultation, a couple of friends who've said they will too, and this morning actually peaked another person on the school run (and left a few leaflets in town). So if I keep that up it's not too bad going I suppose. It feels like now or never!

Cuntysnark · 03/10/2018 23:39

I’m outing myself on a daily basis. Did my exercise class on Monday, and a McMillan coffee morning yesterday. I’m beyond caring. My husband has started too, business meeting today & mate at a concert tonight. If I get some asshat deciding to prosecute me for ‘hate speech’ I know there’s hundred, no, thousands, of women behind me.

Lysistrataknowsherstuff · 03/10/2018 23:29

I'm out in the sticks too and people act like it's just another bizarre idea that I've picked up in London. It'll never affect a sleepy little town where nothing even opens on Sundays (and some shops have half day closing still) so nowt to do with us Confused

I have discovered that my mum is very gender critical - I should have guessed really seeing as my pink teaset was a hand me down from my brother!

I am radicalising her on other aspects of feminism though - a year ago she said she didn't think the patriarchy had affected her at all, the other day she told my dad that he'd never understand why women are angry until he realises that male privilege is real Grin

MyPoorEyes · 03/10/2018 23:08

Most of my friends/family think the idea of self id so ridiculous that they dont believe "it could possibly happen" and therefore dont take the threat seriously. And therefore dont feel the need to protest. sad And yes I get a lot of "if this was real it'd be on the news".

This

lenaperkins · 03/10/2018 22:59

I've used WhatsApp and written targeted notes to people. Some are onboard. Nobody has harangued me - yet. They probably think I'm a bit nuts though ...

disrespectfulpenguin · 03/10/2018 22:58

I meet one friend every summer. Last year she basically said I was mean and that her ex liked to dress in skirts. She was suprised as I am very much live and let live type of person. I said wearing a skirt doesnt make him a women or want to go into womans spaces but I get that he doesn t feel safe in male ones.

This year we had a whispered conversation about safe guarding. She gets it.

I do the did you hear about blah blah in the news? and go from there. My husband didnt really get how fuck up it is getting until i showed poise parkers poster.

LangCleg · 03/10/2018 22:52

First time I've posted on this board too.

And what a great first thread it's turned out to be!

GColdtimer · 03/10/2018 22:51

Yep. A mum today just said "that would never happen" about men in women's prisons. She must have hidden me from her FB or has just decided I'm she prefers to live in her rose tinted world. Drives me nuts.

LangCleg · 03/10/2018 22:51

no more can I talk myself into thinking it won't touch our sleepy town and sensible schools

silentcrow - Flowers

I'm out in the sticks and this is exactly how I feel. Wokeistan is coming and it terrifies the life out of me.

BarbarianMum · 03/10/2018 22:47

Most of my friends/family think the idea of self id so ridiculous that they dont believe "it could possibly happen" and therefore dont take the threat seriously. And therefore dont feel the need to protest. Sad And yes I get a lot of "if this was real it'd be on the news".

Sicario · 03/10/2018 22:36

I have been spreading the world to everyone. And I have told my family that I'm going real life tomorrow, starting with my MP, my local radio station, and a letter to every editor in the land.

DayMay · 03/10/2018 22:34

We only have a few days left.

Whilst the branded Tweets are excellent.

There is no need to approach the public in a group wearing T-shirts and leaflets.

You can gently approach the public in your everyday clothes with a newspaper, make sure there is CCTV.

We have been cowed by all the threats. It's only a tiny percentage of people that belief in body bumping souls.

Most people are very grateful to have had the conversation and eager to learn more, they voluntarily take out phones, pens and paper and ask where they can learn more or how they can fill out the consultation.

GColdtimer · 03/10/2018 22:26

Well I have posted about this almost daily for the last month or so. Some friends always got it, others think I'm wrong and others get it but don't think it will happen.

One friend told me to calm down as I was going OTT about it. Told her I didn't give a toss.

Anyway I am beginning to get more interaction online and in person. Do what you can. Good luck!

HandsOffMyRights · 03/10/2018 22:22

So far I've chosen friends who I thought would get it. One had been married to an abusive and narcissitic man. The other has a daughter in Guides. I've sent links to others.

Older aunts, my mother, get it instantly.

I have a few woke Amnesty loving relatives who follow Owen Jones religiously. Not braved that yet as they are Corbyn Cultists and think they're 'progressive'. I just know they will hold the opposite view to me.

Still deciding what to do about work as I work with some very senior female HR execs who can argue black is white and are also woke and I don't feel confident, so will keep drip feeding, but I know nobody knows about the consultation so may just have to bite the bullet as time is running out.

mrswarthog · 03/10/2018 22:22

I'm still raging tbh - I attended the WPUK event. It was correct, respectful, enlightening & uplifting. When the government's telling us to discuss this, bigots who shut us down are illegal, despicable & arseholes.

littlbrowndog · 03/10/2018 22:21

Lols nightie tell
Will be cool

tellmewhenthespaceshiplands · 03/10/2018 22:20

Mrs Grin

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