Alison Moyet

This is just so sinister. It has never been clearer that this is an anti-women movement.

I wonder if Alison Moyet got stuff like this? Would explain that weird capitulating letter - which does (as a twitterer pointed out) sound like it was written at gunpoint.

More threats

The threat to Jonny- the government really need to step in now and actively support people being free to discuss transactivism and self id . This is all quite mad. I’m afraid to speak up on twitter or Facebook. I’m not afraid of disagreement or people not liking what I say, I’m afraid of real violence, particularly against my children. So many people are being terrorised into silence .
The totalitarianism of this is terrifying, and the implications of how easy it has been to silence dissent should worry everyone, whether they care about this issue or not.
I hadn’t heard about Caroline Farrow, can someone fill me in on what has happened ?

"This movement is so terrifying - how can people like Stonewall, and our own MPS not see the chilling threats and abuse?"

They do see it.

And they are fine with it.

God that threat to Jonny

This movement is so terrifying - how can people like Stonewall, and our own MPS not see the chilling threats and abuse?

I have to admit I'm exasperated but, unless I have the nerve to sign that petition in my own name, then I don't think I have the right to say anything further. We couldn't ask for a better illustration of why we needed a petition in the first place

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Yeah, she's been brave. Well done to her for even trying to have a conversation about it. So few have the courage to do that.

And they targeted her first because she's backtracked in the past.

I hope she gets her head together for a while.

I would say 'silly Alison, she should have known to stay off Twitter for a bit after signing that letter' but the fact is we don't know what kind of threats she has been getting through other channels.
Given the email Johnny Best received, Posie's doxxing and Caroline Farrow's appalling phone harassment this week, it could be anything.

I can't begin to imagine what level of harrassment and threats made such a rapid capitulation take place. She was so brave to stand up. I hope one day that she re-finds the courage that calls to courage and stands with her fellow feminists again.

In the meantime, I hope she takes care of herself and her soul until she finds that bravery again.

Threats to jonny are awful and on his Twitter feed others have said they have recieved similar threats. If Alison has received similar in addition to the Twitter abuse I'm not surprised she has taken a step back.

There have been lots of recent cases of harassment and doxxing of people less famous that Alison Moyet.

On another thread, Johnny Best has been sent a very threatening email.

Alison's statement rejects #nodebate and the part about children is good. On loos - well, I might say the same personally, I just know that many other women have good reason not to. Respect, dignity and rights for trans people - absolutely (not necessarily the 'rights' some demand).

'I take transwomen to be women' ... that's careful wording. It doesn't actually say TWAW. It's more, how she personally treats TW.

I hope it's enough for her to stay engaged on these issues and safe. I fear she'll be still get abuse from TRAs.

She has been braver than me so I feel I can't criticise but I do wish she hadn't included that line about being put under pressure to sign something she didn't fully understand. That's basically thrown everyone else under the bus.

FWIW, I am really thankful for Alison having the courage to speak out like she did and sign that letter. I've got such love for her.
She strikes me as a sensitive, caring woman who really wants to do the right thing. I suspect she has gotten some terrible backlash. Personally, I am very glad she is taking some time off social media. That can only be good for her health. I hope she isn't feeling coerced or threatened. She should be allowed to share whatever she really thinks, including her most recent statement, even if I don't agree.
I think many gender-criticals and women will continue supporting her.
I find it scary sometimes even to post on Mumsnet. So her "coming out" as voicing even a few gender-critical concerns and calling for reasoned dialogue was amazing. Although I suspect there will be no "backpedaling" options available to her from the militant trans activist side. They won't accept any compromises.

There have been lots of recent cases of harassment and doxxing of people less famous that Alison Moyet.

Putting your name on the line on this issue is an incredibly brave thing to do - and she has kids and grandchildren. To be honest, after seeing what Caroline Farrow has been putting up with this week, I'm keeping my head down and not coming out as full on AGPERF just yet (AGP rad fem. don't mind the trans folk, they probably need help accepting their bodies for what they are like anorexics do, rather than being turned into a life long patient. I mind the actual rapists who are using their fetish to access women's spaces and rape us with their penises)

I agree with you slightly Estellesylvia. It’s not the first time she’s redacted something she’s said with “silly me, but of course TWAW” and each time I’ve considered it cowardly, but I really don’t have the slightest clue about the sorts of harassment and outright threats she’s no doubt experienced. I think if I were in her shoes I’d backpedal too (see also: JKR).

It's plain as day she's been bullied and coerced.

Oh come on! I would have thought she had more balls than that. I feel like we deserve an explanation. The truth. But we won’t get it. I feel quite let down actually, on behalf of all women and girls.

How bitterly disappointing .

I wonder why she backtracked like that? She’s obviously an intelligent woman and knew what she was signing. Do you think it’s just because she’s worried it will affect her record sales? If so, that’s truly disgraceful.

It's plain as day she's been bullied and coerced.

Disgusting and I hope everyone can see exactly what's happened there.

“There is mounting evidence of males trying to transition for unscrupulous reasons.”

This link is to a review in 2011 of a period of 5 years referrals for gender reassignment - 54 people looked at. https://www.researchgate.net/publication/268504889Genderreassignment5YearsofreferralsinOxfordshiree*

For some reason I can't get the pdf to down load but below is an excerpt that was posted elsewhere. This look at referrals was from 2011, and we know the landscape is very different with a far wider pool of people now seeking to self declare gender ID. The reasons listed below which were a concern should still be considered a concern & until someone can explain to me how those with unscrupulous reasons are prevented from using self ID as a means to seek the legal recognition for their self declared gender ID, there should not be any move towards removing the current system which should be the method by which those individuals are blocked from being given a GRC. "Just admin" is such a disingenuous representation of what this is all about.

We can dolorsit!

Estelle

That's fine and we can agree to disagree

I’m not lashing out her but I feel she has let women down here.

I don’t have much sympathy for her.

Well she is providing a very visible example of the type of pressure that any dissenting view receives.

Personally, I don't want to behave in the same manner as the TRAs who lash out at any slight deviation from the true faith.

They need to add Ralph Little to that list.