BBC responds to complaint about Woman's Hour

can't we complain though?
on what grounds could we make an official complaint ?

It's not a victim exactly, but it was groomed very early on. It contributed seed funding to the lobby organisation that became All About Trans, and granted transactivists access to its complaints staff, editorial policy staff and decision-making process that is almost if nor completely unprecedented of any political group. In addition, it has had regular friendly meetings with Trans Media Watch and Helen Belcher of that parish. Things have slowed down in terms of access to lobbyists but the damage is done, the reporting guide is written, the relationships are established, key TRA have the phone numbers and email addresses of key BBC figures. So when TRA complain (as they are now), of being silenced by the BBC, it's because of the odd occasion where they don't get the preferential treatment they are accustomed to.

All this - is in the public domain, some of it very well documented, some of it chance remarks - because they are shameless and never thought anyone would go looking.

However what's replaced that cosy schmoozing is a keen knowledge of the complaints and complaint style the BBC will face if they piss off the borg.

The BBC knows that women will not complain in the same vexatious and often groundless way. Or, at least, that's what it thought. And is very frightened of a complaint going to Ofcom and being upheld. It's just cowardice, and in the case of the white male management permasludge, a disregard for women generally.

There's a thread about this ... those who tweet might like to do so, those engaged in the complaints process might like to point the BBC back to those responses...

mobile.twitter.com/BBCWomansHour/status/1048181962647724033?s=19

I really can't see the BBC as being a frightened victim in this as it has been one of the most important driving forces behind it all.

TRAs are able to intimidate so thoroughly because they have the entire establishment on their side, starting with the BBC.

The letter you have had is a lie. The BBC are driven partly by wanting to drive through trans orthodoxy, but mainly through fear.

WH interviewed Aimee Challenor in the summer alongside a parent (likely connected with the charity Mermaids).

Aimee Challennor was introduced as just a young person who had gone through a tough time in seekeing acceptance of their gender identity.

No mention of AC's position within Stonewall, The Green Party or the clearly influential role AC has with BBC reporting, Transport for London, Pride London campaigns etc.

This was only a few weeks before AC's father was convicted of raping and torturing a young girl.

That does make sense Charlie

The letter you have had is a lie. The BBC are driven partly by wanting to drive through trans orthodoxy, but mainly through fear. They are afraid there'll be hundred of TRA complaints, obviously, but they know that TRA won't let go, they will pursue it through all the stages until it gets to Ofcom. Covering 'gender', for WH would mean (will mean) much deeper understanding of the law and various related statistics, and much more research into the backgrounds of contributors, because they are preparing everything with the expectation that it will have to be defended to Ofcom. They say they aren't afraid of TRA complaints or TRA backlash, but they are, it's as simple as that. They think they can offset that by putting it out after the consultation.

It will still be worth listening to because we can still pressure our elected representatives. But whatever reason they tell us, it' because they are afraid TRA will find some reason to go to Ofcom and could win.

There's quite a bit of 'pre' pressure too, lobby groups, transactivism, contacts, handmaiden etc.

But the main ingredient that is stopping it is an editor of quality: someone able and prepared to stand up and say, thanks for the advice, Editorial Policy department, but I stand by my story.

It is like Women's Hour has gone back to the sixties, when it was all about how to be a good, little wifie.

I can't be pissed to listen to it anymore, as it is no longer relevant to women.

As for the consultation, if stonewall and schools are encouraging primary school to take part, I despair.

It's a stitch up. You know we are being stitched up.

When the consultation is over, no matter what the result, I will continue to know, think, and say that trans women are male, and that homosexuality exists, and I will hold, and share that forever more.

Then I might start a campaign for a do-over of the Equality Act 2010. Since apparently our laws only have a 10 year shelf life so it's due a 2020 update.

We have 2 weeks til deadline, maybe we need to go old school and march, the public needs to pay attention double quick, can the media do it in that time?

I still think a petition to delay would be worth a shot. The Stonewall one has got attention.

It does raise the question, though, of what we will all do once the deadline for the consultation is over?

Would it be worth contacting Feedback?

Ignoring the consultation makes it rather pointless.

most of the stuff on it seems insignificant in comparison to this

So much this ^^. I work from home and coffee and WH used to be a regular part of my day, but I rarely bother with it now. I caught the end of it this morning and snorted out loud to hear them giving instructions on how to fold a samosa ('Like this'... apparently. Fuck knows what 'this' was though, it being radio) - while women's rights are in the process of being rolled back a century.

I emailed them as well and as yet have got no reply, I'm hoping they've had so many it's taking a while to respond.
Although that reply is pretty patronising, I used to listen to WH most nights in bed but haven't done so for weeks as most of the stuff on it seems insignificant in comparison to this. As a pp said it is making WH seem inconsequential now.

Why the fuck would any news agency cheerfully inform their listeners that they will absolutely cover in depth this very important topic as soon as the government's deadline for having a say in it has been and gone?

Really really insulting!

I was inspired by you, here’s my next dayresponse

Thank you for getting in touch about Woman’s Hour and your comments about our coverage of the Gender Recognition Act.

We do have a big series planned which will look at the current issues around Sex and Gender. This will include a detailed look at the Gender Recognition Act as part of this. These issues are very important, multi-layered and hugely divide opinion. We want to look at the issues comprehensively, rather than dip our toes in the water in one or two short items.

We do understand your frustration but thank you for your patience. If you have any further thoughts on the content for this series, please do get on touch with the team via the Woman’s Hour website.

Kind regards

David Currie

BBC Complaints Team

and the most oppressed narrative is utter bollocks

Never has such an oppressed minority group had so much unquestioning (and unquestionable) support from so many establishment institutions and so much government money.

I think LangCleg said they don't reflect left or right wing views, they reflect the prevailing view of the elite.

Yes. The BBC is the voice of the establishment. So if it is cheerleading for trans issues, you know it's an establishment project and the most oppressed narrative is utter bollocks.

Penny Mordant at Stonewall reception yesterday (Conservative LGBT+):

Stonewall twitter comment:
"Minister for Women & Equalities PennyMordaunt thanks stonewalluk & everyone in room for being steadfast in face of hate; says we stand by #trans people who have faced so much hatred in past year; need to make #GRA reform and more a reality #ComeOutForTransEquality"

twitter.com/stonewalluk/status/1047218495895814144

I’d hope it’s blatantly clear to government that the idea of self id is not going to work, there has to be checks & balances & a Drs diagnosis etc. Personally I’d like the consultation to end as planned so they can explain just how we move forward.

Though the fact we have men in women’s prisons doesn’t actually reassure me.

What a load of crap ....they have had zillion comments and emails about this. A deliberate delay on any response certainly.

It is a good idea. Ann Sinnot (think she's on MN now) has stated this too.

That's a fab idea.