Stonewall encouraging primary aged children to fill in the GRA consultation

**ideally separate sections for girls and boys wouldn’t exist.

Bloody hell! Grooming indeed.

All that ‘parents say what gender you are’-Bull shit. The biological sex of a baby is noticed and recorded. Parents then dress their children in certain clothes, buy them certain toys and expect/encourage them to do certain things depending on how influenced they are by the social construct of gender. Some might go all Girls: pink, dolls, housework, butterflies, women’s work and, Boys: blue, naughty, boisterous, construction, cats, manly jobs, and others might spend a lot of time and energy trying to show their offspring that they can wear, like, do, be anything they want no matter what genitals they have. Some do something in between because the societal construct of gender is ingrained deeply.

We should be teaching children it’s OK to like pink if you’re a boy or play football if you’re a girl. It’s ok to want to wear sparkly shoes from the ‘girls’ section if you’re a boy or a batman top from the ‘boys’ section of your a girl. This self-ID stuff anyway, but especially when aimed at young children, does nothing to the gender binary but totally reinforce it. “Oh your silly parents put you in a box because they believe gender is binary, it’s ok though. Put yourself in this other box if you don’t feel you fit in.” Binary reinforced. Nice one chirpy chappy.

If I found out my child’s school were considering helping children to fill this out, particularly using the Stonewall “guidance”, I’d be fucking livid.

Lisa Muggeridge explains grooming in plain sight. In response to the Helen Watts incident, but makes it very clear how the TA movement acts as a grooming movement for young people.
m.youtube.com/watch?v=xeIcbzg3VAo&feature=youtu.be

Note that Stonewall have not put their name to this. It appears to be an independant effort - albeit with Stonewall references.

Stonewall have retweeted it.

Note that Stonewall have not put their name to this. It appears to be an independant effort - albeit with Stonewall references.

Manipulative statements include:
Be a hero - and let the government how much we support trans and non-binary people

What child would turn down the opportunity to "Be a hero"?

It’s all a bit jimmy saville
I just don’t believe stone wall are seriously expecting primary kids to do this. Imagine the school encouraging this. There would be a total fuss.

It looks a bit like trolling to get mumsnet wound up?

This is an example of people with no boundaries. And people lacking boundaries can be a threat to children.

We now have one charity demanding that children below the age of consent should be allowed to make legal changes to their sex and another demanding that children should participate in an adult public consultation.

Unethical and dangerous.

Nobody is assigned a gender at birth.

'If you're not trans the changes to the GRA won't affect you'.

Wrong on so very many ethical and factual levels.

Penny Mordant MP, the Minister for Women & Equalities attended a Stonewall reception yesterday at Conservative conference.

Stonewall tweet:

"Minister for Women & Equalities @ PennyMordaunt
thanks @ stonewalluk & everyone in room for being steadfast in face of hate; says we stand by #trans people who have faced so much hatred in past year; need to make #GRA reform and more a reality #ComeOutForTransEquality"

mobile.twitter.com/stonewalluk/status/1047218495895814144

Oh ffs

Frankie you have a vagina. You are at risk from men. They won't give a shit how you identify. And that little piece of paper stating your non binary identity will do Jack shit to protect you from the real risks you face in life.

A fucking grooming video...that's all it is. It's lies . You will not be recognised in any meaninfull way for something no one else can see

"If you are not trans or non-binary, changing the GRA won't have any impact on your life..."

Jesus Christ. Do they have no conscience at all? Not the slightest bit of unease about brainwashing children with lies?

This jaunty little piece of propaganda is going to be one of those things we look back on in horror, like episodes of Jim'll Fix It.

This is truly sickening. Grooming in plain sight indeed. Especially the part where he says "Do you think you're old enough to make decisions about your gender?"

OMG that twitter! Look at that book called 'Jamie'.

Fuck, peaked again.

Massively unethical. As well as the charity commission we should also complain to those running the consultation.

Stonewall and Mermaids are such a threat to childhood. Their logic and their statistics make no sense. They use the experiences of a few outliers to decide that our children as a whole need to have their natural bouts of adolescent confusion interpreted in a way that makes them more vulnerable and unhappy. Both should be shut down. Mermaids is built on the dodgy foundations and Stonewall have completely moved away from their original purpose.

When we are born, our parents say that we are either male or female. This is recorded on our birth certificate.

Yes, I did that. Baby came out, I said male, and there grew the penis. I am all powerful and decide such things.

This is radicalisation.

www.gov.uk/complain-about-charity

The Charities Commission would be the place to complain to I think?

Is anyone allowed to challenge the figures used in that easy read document? Where do they claim to get the estimate from?

I think the opening statement is extraordinary:

When we are born, our parents say that we are either male or female. This is recorded on our birth certificate.

There are clear guidelines for easy read documents about font, space, language choices, use of illustrations.

They are also surely required to follow standards with regard to content? This is especially relevent when considering the vulnerabilities of the intended audience.

From the Easy Read document:

If you want more information please
contact:
Post:
@
Government Equalities Office
(Department for Education)
Sanctuary Buildings
Great Smith Street
London SW1 P 3
Email: [email protected]

What could possibly go wrong with changing a child’s legal sex and putting them in facilities and overnight accommodation with children and adult supervisors/carers of the opposite sex?

The principle that the child's 'preferred gender identity' should be prioritised (even if not Gillick competent ) was established in NHS policies:
eg From Yorkshire and Humber Protocol:
(extract)
"Gender variant children and young people should be accorded the same respect for their self-defined gender as are Tran’s adults, regardless of their genital sex.
Where there is no segregation, as is often the case with children, there may be no requirement to treat a young gender variant person any differently from other children and young people. Where segregation is deemed necessary, then it should be in accordance with the dress, preferred name and/or stated gender identity of the child or young person.
In some instances, parents or those with parental responsibility may have a view that is not consistent with the child’s view. If possible, the child’s preference should prevail even if the child is not Gillick competent. "
www.barnsleyhospital.nhs.uk/equalitydiversity/files/2012/01/Providing-Hospital-Services-to-Trans-Patients-Protocol-2012.pdf

Is anyone allowed to challenge the figures used in that easy read document? Where do they claim to get the estimate from?

Why is no one challenging those figures. 50000 trans people? I was looking at Hansard from 2003 before GRA 2004 was passed. It quotes figures of fewer than 400 people having undergone SRS in the 6 years previous. And as we know (I think!) just under 5000 people currently hold a GRC. Correct me if I'm wrong.

Is there anyone we can actually report this to?

Is Stonewall a charity?

This is very, very unethical.

GROOMING

PLAIN SIGHT