Stonewall encouraging primary aged children to fill in the GRA consultation

Or have mum send the email for them, to protect the identity of the child. "Dear commission running this consultation, as you will see in the linked video Stonewall has suggested that children contribute to the consultation, so I have urged my children aged 8 and 10 to do so. I assume you were aware that Stonewall were suggesting that children contribute."

We could urge kids to both fill in the petition and send an email to the group managing it saying "I filled this in because Stonewall told me to".

Hmm, do mumsnetters not have access to far more children than Stonewall, if that game were to be played? Almost a shame we are too ethical to do it.

Guardian 2015
'Why is a pimp helping to shape Amnesty’s sex trade policy?'
Kat Banyard
(extract)
"Amnesty International will finalise its new policy on prostitution this month. It follows a vote in August by the organisation’s leadership – in the face of global protests – to push countries to fully decriminalise the sex trade, sex-buying and brothel-keeping included. Not only is Amnesty’s plan, in my view, dangerously misguided, it also relies on evidence from the very people it should be holding to account.

Amnesty’s draft policy cites support from “human rights organisations” for the call to decriminalise brothels. “Most significantly,” it states, “a large number of sex worker organisations and networks, including the Global Network of Sex Work Projects [NSWP], support the decriminalisation of sex work.” Yet in March this year Alejandra Gil, the NSWP’s former vice-president, was jailed for 15 years for sex trafficking.

This isn’t just one unfortunate reference to the group, a singular blip in an otherwise scrupulously sourced document. Amnesty’s draft policy also cites as evidence a report written by the NSWP; a report annexe written by the UNAids “advisory group on HIV and sex work” – which is co-chaired by the NSWP; and a World Health Organisation (WHO) report in which Gil is personally acknowledged as one of the “experts” who helped develop its recommendations. The organisation’s logo is on the report’s front cover, alongside those of the WHO, UNAaids and the United Nations Population Fund.

What this exposes is how staggeringly successful Gil’s group has been in pushing its agenda to legitimise commercial sexual exploitation through some of the world’s top human rights institutions. Known as the “Madam of Sullivan”, Gil is reported to have been at the centre of a pimping operation in Mexico City, sexually exploiting around 200 women. What is crucial to recognise, however, is that Gil didn’t have to hide her vested interests as a pimp in her NSWP role. The group campaigns for pimping and brothel-keeping to be recognised as ordinary work. According to NSWP policy, as a pimp Gil was a “sex worker” whose precise role was a “manager”. So why did UNAids award this group a formal advisory role?" (continues)

www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/oct/22/pimp-amnesty-prostitution-policy-sex-trade-decriminalise-brothel-keepers

It's almost like their slowly assembling something...

globenewswire.com/news-release/2016/05/26/843663/10163027/en/Amnesty-International-s-New-Policy-Defends-Pimps-and-Sex-Traffickers.html

Legal gender recognition should be accessible to minors, taking into account the child’s freely expressed views regarding their own best interests, and in light of their evolving capacities. A blanket age restriction would not be appropriate to achieve this

Creepy creepy creepy creepy creepy creepy...

In that case people filling it in from abroad should be discarded as UK law doesn't effect them. A mass complaint is in order here.

This is seriously unethical, no matter of your views on the subject matter.

I would be so interested in what is going on behind closed doors at Stonewall. As many who work in the voluntary sector knows, many charities who look like they are sailing along are in fact paddling like crazy underneath and the staff are usually the ones feeling it. It would not surprise me if this was a top down decision, it’s such an out of touch risky tactic.

Amnesty on GRA
'If you are the parent of a trans child or a young trans or non-binary person check out Mermaids’ guidance to respond to the consultation.'
(extract)
" 2. Children and young people should have access to legal gender recognition

Trans and non-binary children and young people are currently completely excluded from applying for legal gender recognition and the government has vowed to maintain this exclusion. While trans and non-binary children and young people can change their gender on other documents, such as passports, they must wait until they turn 18 to be able to obtain a gender recognition certificate. This puts them at risk of their privacy being violated and of discrimination. Young trans and non-binary people suffer greatly from discrimination and bullying: 8 in 10 trans people bullied at school or college are self-harming.

The UN Convention on the Rights of the Child (CRC) requires states to respect the right of children to be heard and to duly take into account their views. Legal gender recognition should be accessible to minors, taking into account the child’s freely expressed views regarding their own best interests, and in light of their evolving capacities. A blanket age restriction would not be appropriate to achieve this - absolute denial of legal gender recognition to individuals under a given age is not consistent with existing standards regarding the rights of children.

AIUK recommends that the self-determination process is open to those aged 16 and above. For those aged 16 and below there should be an administrative process based on parental support. A back-up mechanism should be available by which a child without parental support should be able to apply for gender recognition – ideally an administrative rather than court-based process." (continues)

www.amnesty.org.uk/have-your-say-gender-recognition-act

If you look at the YouTube comments you can see that because YouTube is a global platform, there are now people from other countries filing in the form -- comments from USA and Italy and more say they are filling it in.

This makes a mockery of the democratic process and it needs to be stopped right now.

This.

On the plus side that survey is ridiculously and stupidly difficult to fill out isn't it? So they'd be lucky.

Ah, but that's why Stonewall has produced a helpful guide to tell people what answers to give. Who cares if the kids they're urging to complete it don't understand any part of the process?

This makes a mockery of the democratic process and it needs to be stopped right now.

So horribly manipulative.
Peak!
The air is getting really fucking thin up here..

Is Stonewall a registered charity? If so their status should be revoked for pulling a stunt like this.

Fuck that video is creepy. Targeting children who aren't gillick competent. Oh well. I can get my kids to fill it in too. And my friends kids. And their friends too. Don't worry stonewall. We've got this. And we see you.

OK, email sent to the GRA email address. this is attempting to manipulate and exploit children

it's just not on

The current Stonewall leadership are a disgrace to their forebears.

On the plus side, if there is no age limit for filling in the consultation then I'll get DD to do it. She's already said that she will leave Brownies if a boy joins.
(don't worry - I won't really let her fill it in)

Have we forgotten that there's a reason we don't let children vote, and it's related to cognitive development? Also, is what the creepy fluffy kitty ear wearing video person is suggesting even legal?

On the plus side that survey is ridiculously and stupidly difficult to fill out isn't it? So they'd be lucky.

It would be interesting to see the Easy Read Version.

I've just read somewhere that there is a version of the consultation as well as guidance.

Fuck me sideways, every time you think you’ve heard it all......

Petition launched by Jonny Best, Julie Bindel etc
'Please join us in asking Stonewall to reconsider its transgender policies and approach'
Since 2015, Stonewall has also campaigned on trans issues. We believe the organisation has made mistakes in its approach. These mistakes are undermining women’s sex-based rights and protections, and damaging the relationship between transsexual people and women - a relationship which had been positive for many years.

On Oct 19th the Government’s public consultation on proposed changes to the Gender Recognition Act closes, so it is important that there should be debates amongst us all about transgender politics and the rights of women and girls. Stonewall disagrees and calls debate on this matter of public policy transphobic.

Stonewall’s promotion of the concept of 'gender identity’, which has it that a man or woman is anyone (of either sex) who identifies as such, is also undermining the basis of lesbian, gay and bisexual identities as orientated around same-sex attraction. Lesbians in particular are coming under pressure to accept male-bodied trans women into their spaces and as sexual partners.

At the moment, Stonewall is failing in three key ways:

By uncritically adopting a form of transgender politics which undermines the sex-based rights of women and the concept of homosexuality itself
By refusing to recognise the diversity of viewpoints on these issues, including among LGBT people.
By seeking to prevent public debate of these issues by branding as transphobic anyone who questions Stonewall’s current trans policies.
We call on Stonewall to:

Acknowledge that there are a range of valid viewpoints around sex, gender and transgender politics
Acknowledge specifically the conflict that exists between transgenderism and sex-based women’s rights
Commit to fostering an atmosphere of respectful debate, rather than demonising as transphobic those who wish to discuss or dissent from Stonewall’s current policies"
www.ipetitions.com/petition/dear-stonewall-please-reconsider-your-approach

thread: www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3384045-Petition-to-Stonewall

Yikes ... it's a bit reminiscent of the whole Hitler Youth thing isn't it - get to the kids early, indoctrinate them, control parents through them.

On the plus side that survey is ridiculously and stupidly difficult to fill out isn't it? So they'd be lucky.

There is no doubt this is exploiting children.

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