Article in today’s Guardian about toilets and trans users.

Good lord. Why make yourself look threatening and menacing in a photograph and then complain that women don't want you in their space?

Do you know I assumed this was a "woke" cunty person.

God I'm fucking stupid aren't I.

Simona's got a sort of ned's atomic dustbin aesthetic going on.

Simona

www.google.co.uk/search?q=simona+castricum&client=opera&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&sqi=2&ved=0ahUKEwiAmqSTjerdAhVh0YMKHXVKC-EQ_AUIDigB&biw=1473&bih=696#imgrc=_

Forgotthebins ha ha good point! Actual lol at wee and poo etc not being connected to our bodies

Here's what I found about dear Simona with a quick Google: "Women of Letters challenged contributors to write a letter to something they’d lost. Singer, architect, DJ and parent Simona Castricum wrote one to herself"

Why am I not surprised in the least?

letshopeitsallok that's me, policing toilets wherever I go

I've never heard any woman say thy were going to "reapply lippy".

Wanker who neither understands, nor respects women dismisses their boundaries with:

The common assertion that gender non-conforming people who use bathrooms present a threat to the personal safety of cisgender people is rubbish."

Goes on to (apparently?) decide that reapplying lippy determines your sex

The public restroom is not only a place to empty one’s bladder or bowel, change a tampon or clothes, wash hands or reapply lippy; it’s an arbiter of gender, with its mostly cisnormative inhabitants to police it.”

And then shows up his massive jealousy and female embodiment fantasies with

Transmisogyny is when only the ciswomen are doing one of those women only ‘cake things’ in the work kitchen and you weren’t invited, and then you walk in for a glass of water as you do, and at best one person says hello."

Until this issue, I never realised there quite so many men who had zero self-awareness.

Your fears are groundless, your boundaries immaterial, gender determines sex, and I find the whole thing a huge turn on.

Let me talk about it endlessly and then complain that you won't give me any of your cake.

This sentence in the article is priceless:

"What is it that we do in bathrooms? Why does it need to be connected to our body or gender?"

Where would the wee, poo or menstrual blood come from if not a body? Is there a faecal fairy that I don't know about?

"cisnormative"

Again with the idea that everyone in the world who isn't a self declared member of the trans-umbrella-folx is desperately enforcing regressive sexist stereotypes left right and centre.

No acknowledgement (or even knowledge?) that large tranches of especially women have been fighting against these stereotypes for decades.

Back again to the 12yo who thinks no-one understands.............

I used to gripe about my 11 year old dd always wanting me to go with her to public loos. Not now.

Ironically its a terribly judgemental sentence, that shows how uncomfortable they are around other people. Almost phobic, if you will.

thurmanmerman are you saying that as a cisnormative inhabitant of the public restroom that you are not, not I say, policing arbiters of gender?

I am shocked! Shocked I tell you.

Actually I have no idea what that paragraph is supposed to mean either.

"The public restroom is not only a place to empty one’s bladder or bowel, change a tampon or clothes, wash hands or reapply lippy; it’s an arbiter of gender, with its mostly cisnormative inhabitants to police it."

Wha..? utter bollocks

Yesterday the guardian had a bloke reading feminist books on the cover of the g2. Today this. Arg.

The toilets article was on the Australian part of the site, so different editors, and possibly different editorial decisions. It might also explain why comments are already closed - it's 11pm there so maybe they didn't have enough people to moderate.

The article by the bloke was quite good, I thought - anyone else read it?

"Or maybe it’s an office-friendship group that happens to be female, and for some inexplicable reason, you’re not in it. Thought of that crossed your mind?"

Sometimes, people don't like you, not because you're trans but because you're an utter pain in the arse who sucks all the oxygen from every room you're in?!

If you want unisex toilets so badly then just make the mens unisex and leave the women alone.

As an aside but related to the comments issue does anyone know what the deal is with Spiked (the Brendan O' Neil site) currently? They seem to have dropped the prominent free speech mantle in a site redesign and have done away with the old comment system replacing it with Facebook comments.

Seems like a really odd move. All the articles used to have 100s of comments now they barely have 10. Admittedly some of the old comments I thought were dross but they were in keeping with who their base readership probably is. Considering all the issues around Facebook and censorship/data misuse etc.. it's a surprising choice.

I've also never been to a 'woman only cake thing'

Cakes are non-binary at my work

And they've just closed the comments. That was quick!

The Guardian: manufacturing consent in real time.

Yesterday the guardian had a bloke reading feminist books on the cover of the g2. Today this. Arg.

The most upvoted comment under the article is one complaining about the lack of public toilets, but the second-most upvoted says this: (I've not quoted the entire comment)

A more useful distinction when it comes to toilets is between biological men and biological women. Men like to wee standing up, so urinals are useful. Men don't usually want to be observed weeing by women (and neither do women want to see men weeing) so that's one good reason for segregating by the sexes.

Another good reason for sex segregation is that biological women menstruate, and like to have some privacy for, for example, washing blood-stained hands or rinsing a moon-cup. This is particularly true for young girls, who can start menstruating as young as nine or 10. It's cruel to force them to deal with that in toilets also used by men.

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Toilets segregated by biological sex have served us well for a long time, the main problem being that there aren't usually enough cubicles in the women's toilets. If you address this, and you have a few nice large cubicles for people with disabilities, then there isn't much more you need to do. You certainly don't need to introduce "gender" into it, cisnormative or otherwise. Gender isn't important when it comes to toilets; biological sex is.

Which seems sensible to me.

I note that the author's Australian. They do seem to drink the woke kool-aid by the gallon down there.

(Also, the problem with dividing toilets into urinals and cubicles is that men can't go for a dump in the urinal, adding to the Barbican woes raised earlier in the thread).

"Or maybe it’s an office-friendship group that happens to be female, and for some inexplicable reason, you’re not in it. Thought of that crossed your mind?"

This!

I also have no idea what a "woman only cake thing" is.
Women going mad for cake is a STEREOTYPE albeit one that lots of women play up to.
NEWFLASH not all women are mad for cake, some men really like cake!!!
SOME of the women might be chatting and not bothering with the cake WOAAAHHHHHHH!!!! Mind >> Blown!!!

So this person who eschews gendered views takes a highly sexist view of the women in their office, what a surprise.

The only way these people can exist is by pretending that all other people are 2D sexist stereotypes and they are SO DIFFERENT and NOBODY UNDERSTANDS.

They all sound about 12. Seriously.

1. Most people are "non binary" or "agender" or "gender nonconforming". Most people in the WORLD.
2. "Women only cake thing" sounds like what many of these things are > a signpost to get away from men for a bit. Not really much to do with cake. The cake is an excuse. To have a women only thing. Cunty women that is. This is about SEX not GENDER.
3. Stop being so silly

What is a women only cake thing? All the workplaces I've been in stick any treats and baked goods on a plate and let anyone help themselves.

Is this just a way of insinuating that vagina people are all fat, greedy, cake hoarders?