Article in today’s Guardian about toilets and trans users.

I would also not hold up French toilet provision as any model of..well, anything really. Urinals in corridors, the occasional persistent squat toilet, pissoirs (no female provision). I don't know where the idea that they are some mixed sex wonderland comes from? Not where I lived (SW).

French women don't like seeing al fresco male urination or walking past open urinals more than anyone else. French men are generally pretty content with provision though- so anyone that thinks everyone in France is happy with the loos clearly only asked men!

So transmisogyny = not getting cake, where as actual misogyny, the boring old kind, = not being entitled to carry out your specifically female bodily functions without a bloke being present to poke fun.
Transmisogyny = only one woman saying hello, where as actual misogyny, the non special kind, = shouting no, on mass, at the top of your voices and being told to stfu.
Just thought I’d straighten that one out.

I have never had other women police my presentation in the toilets btw. I have a skinhead and only ever wear masculine clothes, yet I’ve never been challenged. It’s almost like people can tell what sex I am just by looking at me. Amazing that...

WhatTheWatersShowedMe I'm giggling on a bus to this. Very funny.

I haven't had a problem in French loos, but, I have only experienced the limited facilities in restaurants, which have always been quite civilised. I agree the street and metro harrassment in Paris is grim.

I find it hard to believe that Simona gets any sort of hassle in the gents. Silly.

I would rather click on a Sun article than read the Guardian
And I’m a scouser.
What is the gist?

I'm reminded of Ali G "is it because I is black" regarding the exclusion from "women-only cake things".

Ova that is a weird choice for Spiked Online. Not everyone wants to comment in their real name or via Facebook. Maybe it’s somehow not economic for them to run it in the previous form?

Also that Guardian article in the OP. It’s the badly-thought-through, self centred and plaintive reasoning that only a very young, male-socialised person could come up with.

(Sorry I don’t want to offend other very young male socialised people who I know would spot the bullshit immediately but I don’t know how else to express what I mean..)

NAYMSPALT

Sorry, I'm still struggling with 'women only cake things'. In my head I'm seeing him searching for the words, for something that he is massively excluded from, but can't decide how, why, or what it's even for.

But he just knows he doesn't get it.

Um, you know...they talk…and laugh an stuff. In the coffee area...you know... there's sometimes a Tupperware, or Valerie's patisserie box involved...whatsit called...er...a women only 'thing'...you know...with um cake. An' that.

I would love to hear Philips views on all this.

Let's take it to its logical conclusion: one set of lavatories for taking a shit and another for peeing.

Of course she is. The Queen is the boss.

This is the first image I got for “women only cake”

Turns out the Queen is a T**f!

Good lord. Why make yourself look threatening and menacing in a photograph and then complain that women don't want you in their space?

I might well considering not buying Simona a cupcake when it was my birthday.

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Look at me me me me

Miltonlasagne: I have had the same issue in France.
Street sexual harassment (in Paris anyway) is a massive issue. Of course this bloke isn’t affect by it and women there are a so fed up by it. I don’t know if much is being done but I wouldn’t hold up France as the place to go if you want to avoid wandering hands.

This person is "non binary" so why are they playing on a woman's football team?

Oh yes because they want to.
They're about a foot taller than all of the other players. And will be stronger etc as well.
Fuck off.

Why why why why why is everyone unable to understand that the majority of us that are GC do not believe that trans people are a threat.

FFS the issue is self ID and it being abused by male bodied wankers to do as they please in a female space.

This. PipGoesPop

Ridiculous. Any real woman knows you reapply lippy with a cute little flip mirror that you keep in your handbag, no need to go into the toilets at all.

Any woman who got harassed thereafter was met with "well what did you expect, using the unisex toilets instead of going to the women's".

Ugh.

I've posted about this before on here but the whole "France has unisex toilets and it's all fine" is bollocks.

My uni in France built a new block with only unisex toilets and it was a nightmare. Constant sexual harassment from men enjoying intimidating women in a confined space which, for me, culminated in being assaulted about 6 weeks into the first term.

I started using the women's toilets in the nearby geography block instead as did most female students. By the new year the literature building toilets were unofficially men only. Any woman who got harassed thereafter was met with "well what did you expect, using the unisex toilets instead of going to the women's".

That article is more badly-written than anything I have ever read in The Daily Mail...

Also, isn't it amazing that I could guess the author's chromosomes after just two paragraphs?

Turns out Simona's had quite the battle, dealing with transphobia when Simona goes and plays against women for Simona's women's football team. Stunning and brave.

Why why why why why is everyone unable to understand that the majority of us that are GC do not believe that trans people are a threat.

FFS the issue is self ID and it being abused by male bodied wankers to do as they please in a female space.

It's like Marilyn fucking Manson telling women that we're oppressing him because of his clothes choices and preferences for make up, and because we didn't share our cake.

Once again fuck the fuck off to the far side of fuck with the narcissism and the misogyny.