A startling bit of hypocrisy here

Same here FoldyRoll. I do remember stomping home on my own in a foul mood one Saturday night at university and a car slowed down. I was so angry at other things that had happened that night I launched into a screaming tirade of expletives and off they went. I'm not sure the driver even got a chance to say anything.

Hyperalert tells me you were worried, it's just a different word.

I understand if nothing has ever happened, you might not be worried.
My experience tells me that I need to be wary of men, particularly if it's dark, late, or there are less people around.
We learn from our own experiences.

Maybe a difficult one to answer, but why aren't you worried / scared, my experience and knowledge of others experiences has made me concerned for my safety in certain situations.
What gives you the confidence?

I'm another who, pre-kids, used to frequently walk alone in my city late at night, and I can't say I was ever actively worried or scared. But I was hyper-alert, in a way I doubt many men are; I would be constantly aware of exactly who was around me, and would have my keys in one hand and my phone in the other, ready for action. There was probably a false sense of security in being in a familiar place. And some of the invincibility of youth...

That said, I wouldn't like my own daughter to do it.

Dunno why I'm not scared. Never have been, even when something could have happened. Like Lass I'm petite and would be in trouble if anyone went for me. We have a right to take up space and do what we want, when we want. If someone tried to infringe on that I'd rely on righteous fury to see them off. Probably wouldn't work, but there you go.

I actually thought it was a very interesting thread although it's origins did make me eye roll. And I thought it did make some men reflect a little.

I hope no one feels attacked by what I said.

It's annoying that women have said this stuff for all eternity. Dannielle pitches up and all of a sudden men everywhere are like 'what is this brand new information? Thank his you've got a dick, Danielle, so we are capable of hearing what you say'

I can’t speak for anyone else but for me I know that being afraid or not being afraid doesn’t stop whatever men want to do. They do it whether you fear it or not. Not being afraid makes it easier to go about my life. But sometimes I can’t get myself to that point so I just be afraid while going about my life.

Perhaps lass has a beard and is built like a brick shithouse like "danielle"

Sorry to disappoint you. I'm 5'4,
female, very feminine and until middle age caught up with me, slim and slightly built.

Maybe a difficult one to answer, but why aren't you worried / scared, my experience and knowledge of others experiences has made me concerned for my safety in certain situations.
What gives you the confidence?

Lets not attack each other, impressed by the women who don't feel intimidated when out alone at night.

I’ve literally never known a single woman who feels completely safe out alone at night. Not one. And I’ve lived in different countries, cities and small towns.

I did a little sick in my mouth when I saw this thread from Danielle. Oh so feminist now. Less so when exhorting women to suck Danielle's lady dick.

It's interesting that it's is about objectification and harassment, the only kind of sexism that many young women will be aware of and some TRAs get oddly titillated by. It seems less likely to alert men to inequality than to remind women to be afraid.

I have lived and worked in 9 UK cities and several European capitals and been equally comfortable and unafraid walking around all of them at 2am as at 2pm. But I am a Geordie.

Perhaps lass has a beard and is built like a brick shithouse like "danielle"

Sorry that was in response to lass

I live in the countryside, no lights.
Travel all over the world for work, been kidnapped in India in a taxi, threatened by a knife in Moscow (in a business meeting), grabbed in the street in Stockholm, and wolfcalled in almost every city.
It makes you uncomfortable, it's deeply unpleasant, it makes me scared when I'm alone. All these people were physically larger and stronger than me.
I managed every situation by fighting back, arguing back, it didn't stop me being absolutely terrified and never wanting to be in that situation again.

As a general rule of thumb, any man who thinks he should be allowed beyond a woman’s stated boundaries is exactly the sort of man who should be kept out. I wonder what would happen if we let each individual man decide whether he’s a nice enough guy to have access to vulnerable women? I’m guessing it wouldn’t end well.

^^ THIS. Wanted to amplify this message. Thanks BadStyley

Did someone mention DM's classic IWD tweet? Here it is! I believe it has not been deleted either. DM must be so proud of it.

DM themselves should be subject to the 9pm curfew.

Absolutely scream it’s a valid question to ask and one which is an eye opener to hear the answers. The issue, and the reason for posting, is Daniele muscato’s inclusion of themself in the “we are” (full of uncontrollable rage)

1. Daniele is not “we”, Daniele is the “them” the curfew would apply to.

2. women don’t get the luxury of uncontrollable rage. We have to control our anger very carefully if we dare express it at all.

You must live in a very different environment to me

I've lived in cities since I was 18. I travel to cities on my own.

the question is still an interesting one, regardless of the originator

It is although I assume it is done as a means of validation.

This is the one thing that helped my DP understand the difference between experience of the sexes. I feel as safe as anyone walking out late at night. But if I hear footsteps, or if I see a male, I will slip my keys between my fingers without thinking about it. When I told him this, he asked why, and clearly didn't get why that would be a response, so I explained about it creating a make shift weapon. He still didn't click straight away because it literally never occured to him that the situation would set anyone on edge.

You must live in a very different environment to me.

Really lass, you don't look over your shoulder constantly and listen to every sound if you're out walking in the dark by yourself?

No I don't.

Apologies, and this is why I lurk, don't post, I had no idea who Danielle is, and therefore no context to the post, sorry.
Thanks all for not piling in, much appreciated.
However, I do think the question is still an interesting one, regardless of the originator, my behaviour would be different if I wasn't concerned about predators.