I think Scouts safeguarding advice has been updated to remove consideration for ALL children..?

""What toilets should the young person use?
Unisex toilet facilities are preferable but often not available. Always be led by the preferences of the young person, around which facilities they feel most comfortable and safe using. Ideally, this would be a cubicle in facilities of their true gender, but they may wish to use the accessible/disabled toilet as an alternative. If using the accessible/disabled toilet is the young person’s preferred option, refer to and label toilets appropriately (e.g. ‘unisex/accessible toilets’ rather than ‘disabled’)
Be aware that young trans people may have a lot of anxiety around using toilet facilities, and may even avoid using the toilet or drinking. This can lead to ill health, so it is important to be aware of this and provide reassurance if needed, reminding that they can use whichever facilities they find most comfortable and at any time"

Where is the consideration for girls and their anxieties around toileting?

OK so they don't go as far as GG in saying that a girl who objects to share with a person with a cock needs to be re-educated out of tehir transphobia,

But I am SURE this is diferent to before.

I specifically remember what they said about binders, this is different now.

TheFallenMadonna

They said before explicitly something about discussing with children / parents.
That has gone,

The Guidance elsewhere says that children should be treated as their "true" gender for everyhting, and they must be given the choice, no mention of anyone else having a choice.

If you have 7 girls and 3 rooms, then you split them 3, 3, 2 right?
They are all girls, so no issues around who goes with who.

Searched it I can't find anything else.

I think this has been updated and potentialyl while GG are in teh news for this

What now?

Who gives a fuck abotu cunty girls, Ineedacupof tea?

Sorry everyone for the wall of text!

I'd be interested if anyone else can remember what it said and confirm if it has changed?

I think it HAS, but it was a while since I read it.

I might check the advice for leaders section if there is one.

The intro to gender ID bit compares transgender to having a disability and says all reasonable adjusts must be made

"What is the law?
Gender reassignment is a protected characteristic under the Equality Act 2010, whether or not the person is undergoing medical treatment. This means that as with ‘disability’, organisations have a duty to make reasonable adjustments to ensure that trans Members can access Scouting, including anticipating the needs of any future members.

Other gender identity differences
A person may feel they do not belong to either gender (defining themselves as Gender Queer), or feel that neither term describes them accurately (‘gender-neutral’ or ‘Agender’), or even that they are female on some days and male on others, ‘gender fluidity’, "

They also say that trans includes anyone who has not started "presenting" in their "true" gender and includes genderfluid etc.

The reading of this is therefore that in Scouts (as is general trans activist preferneced):

No need to change name, clothes, shave, anything
If this person says they're a girl they're a girl
Need to go in with the girls at all times
No consideration as to how this feels for girls needs to be given (not mentioned anywhere)
Includes overnights and sharign sleeping

Scouts is 10.5 to 14 and explorers 14 to 18.

This means an 18 yo boy who looks like a boy, talks like a boy, heterosexual, 6ft+ tall could be bunked in with a 14 yo girl and there's nothing she can do about it.

Same as guides but I think guides would expect them to at least put a dress on? (Although girls wear trousers all teh time so whatever).

Of course putting on a dress and saying call me Alice doesn't actally change a boy into a girl >
But with scouts there is no need to even bother with that which might at leats have put a few chancers off

The aim here is to have NO BARRIERS and having been on some queer theory threads recently this is the political idogolgy of the movements, all "barriers" are "bad" my definition and must be "queered". It's got nothng to do with troubled children.

Has anyone else read this before members.scouts.org.uk/supportresources/4228/gender-identity-supporting-young-people?cat=377,378&moduleID=10

I believe it has been updated so it removes references to all children being comfortable, include lots of stuff about medication that wasn't there before and some frankly bizarre comments about "media attention".

The MN idea that Scouts was a bit more sensible around safeguarding is no longer up to date I think.

SCOUTS

i think this has changed

"What about nights away, camps and trips?
Discuss options well in advance with the young person and others involved, whilst protecting the young person’s right to privacy. The principle is to make sure that everyone is comfortable with the arrangements. Be sensitive to the needs of the young person; avoid making them feel singled out or not respected.
As with all young people, confirm whether the young person is on any medication that they will need to take.
Consider having one named Leader who is aware of the young person’s biological sex and any treatment/medication they are on, who could provide support if medical treatment is needed. Ask the young person who they wish the leader to be; regardless of the leader’s gender.
How can I manage the sleeping arrangements? There is no rule in Scouting stating that young people must be split by gender for sleeping arrangements. Sleeping arrangements should be carefully planned, assessing the needs and ages of young people, and any risks. A young person may be binding their chests or wearing very tight underwear to flatten themselves. The chance to privately remove this clothing overnight is very important.
Some options to consider, risk assess and discuss with the young person/family, are as follows:
Sharing with other young people of their true gender (or their biological sex if they would prefer), either in large or small tents with their trusted friends.
Large tents with various sleeping compartments, discretely allocating the young person their own compartment for privacy.
Having their own tent / room"

NO REFERENCE to the comfort of other children?

Scouts guidance may have been updated to be more in line with guides?

No longer mentioning anything about other children being comfortable or maybe I'm reading a different part of the site

"What toilets should the young person use?
Unisex toilet facilities are preferable but often not available. Always be led by the preferences of the young person, around which facilities they feel most comfortable and safe using. Ideally, this would be a cubicle in facilities of their true gender, but they may wish to use the accessible/disabled toilet as an alternative. If using the accessible/disabled toilet is the young person’s preferred option, refer to and label toilets appropriately (e.g. ‘unisex/accessible toilets’ rather than ‘disabled’)
Be aware that young trans people may have a lot of anxiety around using toilet facilities, and may even avoid using the toilet or drinking. This can lead to ill health, so it is important to be aware of this and provide reassurance if needed, reminding that they can use whichever facilities they find most comfortable and at any time."

Girls however who may have anxiety around menstruation or may have been sexually abused just have to GET THE FUCK ON WITH IT AND NOT MAKE A FUSS.