Gender Neutral students in The Times

I know some young autistic female students like this. They come across as intensely vulnerable and fragile in real life. The brave facade doesn't mask very well.

But no one at universities would dare challenge any of the current ideology, so we throw out any safeguarding and nod along or capitulate with silence.

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I agree.

That's what struck me, looking back at the Vogue cover shoot of Caitlyn Jenner, which is what got me interested in trans ideology: that CJ looked no different from poor sad surgically altered actual women, desperately trying to conform to cartoon, porny womanhood

It's no different. Both are attempts at conforming to extremes of stereotypes.

I don't see either as much different to tattooing, scarification, or other body modifications.

And even more scary is that non-binary people tend to be female and end up being surgically altered. How does no one (outside of GC feminism) see this as the other side of the coin that leads women to seek breast implants and lip fillers (cos they identify further along the spectrum as "very feminine"? )

The only problem is that this new form of self expression has taken a very narcissistic turn. These young people want the rest of us to actually indulge their identity and to change the world to fit their new narrative.

This.

I’d be disappointed if any of them were studying biological or medical sciences. But not entirely surprised, given the way the country is currently awash in cognitive dissonance. And Anthony Grayling, WTF? But really he’s a silly old man now (I can say that as I am old too, I know lots of silly old men).

Yes 'Get me, I've got a personality". We all do, my love.

I usually tick the “other” box if the question is about gender, as gender is bollocks.

I tick the “female” box if the question is about sex.

What a non-story.

it's just the current equivalent of the 60's mods, the 70's punks, the 80's Goths or new romantics, the 90's (um... what was it in the 90's?) and the Noughties emos.

The only problem is that this new form of self expression has taken a very narcissistic turn. These young people want the rest of us to actually indulge their identity and to change the world to fit their new narrative.

I see non-binary as a cop out. It's a way to jump on the gender bandwagon without having to change the way you dress or act one bit. At least people who identify as the opposite sex are being brave in the face of harassment - but non-binary is just a way to say "I am something special too" - but it's not special. It's really not. Everyone is non-binary by the definition of not fitting sexual stereotypes.

She gets told to “pick one side or the other”?

I can’t imagine anyone would be bothered enough by her opinion to say that to her.

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I don't fit in with the WI or the Classic Car club set.

It doesn't make me non-binary though.

Give it 20 yrs and she'll be married with 2 kids and living in the burbs.

What a sad way to think not identifying with your biological make up or being.

I sometimes worry about this attitude it feels like someone has over philosophised their being & coined a 'fashionable' term in gender neutral.

Or maybe it is all too much I.T & we are all disconnected from our bodies & reality? I just don't get it. Be gay, straight, trans but what is gender neutral - neither & nothing?

Is it just about fashion & using different language it is about making a new grp & wanting to be different?

So, in summary, she wants to reject gender stereotypes. Good for her. Join the feminist club!. Unfortunately, wanting the speshulness of being non-binary is entirely a reflection of what feminists are talking about. And it's playing into misogyny's hands