Go on then, see if you can peak trans me...

Ok
I believe you are underestimating the influence of socialisation outside the family and home. I strongly feel that as parents of boys we need to accept that society influences our boys in harmful ways and we have to try hard to mitigate that but we cannot prevent it.

Unfortunately though under trans ideology, which is forming the basis of law and policy around trans people, literally anyone who says they are a woman should be able to legally transition with absolutely zero gatekeeping or conditions.
Under self ID Ian Huntley will absolutely have the right to transition and move to a woman's prison. Nobody will be allowed to say 'hang on a minute'. That will be bigotry.

Your children are being taught genderism in school. Teachers are being told not to tell parents if a child identifies as the opposite sex. You may not have as much control as you think.

I am bringing up boys. I don't want them to fear women, hold women back, use women for their gains, threaten women etc etc. I want them to see themselves as equal and respect women

Me too. However i accept that my boy does benefit from the patriarchy and will internalise ideas of male supremacy and all I can do is try to instill values that will counter balance this influence.
The idea that equality of the sexes will he achieved in our children's lifetimes is laughably unrealistic so we need to accept and live with what we have not pretend things aren't so because it pains us to think of our precious, lovely boys being part of the problem.

I don’t think anyone hates men but this is one of the only public places on the internet where women can talk (almost) freely about very serious concerns we have regarding potentially losing hard won rights for women. Women are harassed and targeted because of our BIOLOGY and we need law that acknowledges the biological differences between men and women. Transwomen still have male bodies and a very high percentage of men who identify as trans (85-95%) do not have surgery to remove their penis and have no intention of doing so. The current trans umbrella includes a wide range of identities. The general public however are often of the impression that trans gender is the same as what used to be called transsexual. They assume that a person identifying as trans is going through the process of medical transition. This is no longer the case.

Do you think that Ian Huntley, child rapist and murderer is a woman?

Give us your stream of consciousness response in your reply.

Why is it my job to peaktrans you? I don't want to peaktrans you I think you should do it for yourself.

Engage your brain, think deeply and critically about the issues on the FWR boards and decide for yourself who is right or wrong.

You don't have to agree with everything and I respect your right to hold a differing point of view. But it's your brain, your beliefs, your assumptions.. how can you ask anyone to peak you, you need to come to that conclusion yourself.

Children are being put on lifelong medication meaning that they will never have normal sexual function. This is being done to children who like the 'wrong' toys for their sex. Many of these children would grow up to be gay. I suppose if you're homophobic and don't care about harming children you might see transgenderism as a good thing.

Google Karen White / Stephen Wood.

Women are accused of being "man hating" when they expect a normal level of human decency from men, and are not prepared to make allowances for them because "that's just how men are".

I think your question is interesting is a little provocative, but I don't understand why you are conflating "man hating" and "peak transing". Can you explain?

I won't be attempting to provide you with all the facts on this thread but have you read the links on the "break it down for me" thread?

I also have no direct problems in my life due to trans people and I am 100% supportive of their right to be safe and live their lives without discrimination.

It is very important to realise that most trans people are not behind or well represented by the anti-women activists (AWAs) who shout loudest on these issues.

The main issues for me are:

1. the dangers to women and girls will not come directly from trans people themselves specifically. However the combination of an environment where no one can be excluded from a space in case their feelings are hurt, and teaching girls that they mustn't trust their instincts if they feel unsafe as those instincts are transphobic, will reduce our ability to be safe.

2. education materials on trans issues are embedding sexist stereotypes in children. Instead of breaking down sexist ideas that girls should dress/behave/enjoy "girly" ways and boys should dress/behave/enjoy "boy" ways - now the pressure is on that if you are a girl who likes the boy stuff or a boy who likes the girl stuff you must be trans and your body is wrong and you need medication and surgery. This is every kind of wrong and yes it is happening.

3. sexism exists in the workplace. Women continue to be sacked and not selected for promotion because of either conscious or unconscious bias about how their biology will affect their work (assumptions about fluctuating productivity according to monthly cycles, and their needs for maternity leave and assumptions that they won't prioritise work over family issues). This is not a thing of the past. Trans men and nonbinary people with XX chromosomes will be just as affected by these issues and will suffer these discriminations not because they are trans but because they have XX chromosomes. Trans women and non-binary people with XY chromosomes are not affected by these particular issues. (a) in fighting sexism we need a word that describes all the people being disadvantaged by sexism. It used to be "women" but we aren't allowed to use that word to mean people with XX chromosomes now. How can we fight sexism when we have no word for who we are fighting for? This silences us. (b) such protections and opportunities that have already been put in place to help overcome centuries of sexism by providing a leg up for women (all women shortlists, awards for women in specific fields) are now disproportionately being taken by transwomen. I don't have exact stats but for illustration - if 0.1% of women are transwomen and 5% of the people selected for a women's opportunity (eg an all-women shortlist) are transwomen, that means that on average a transwoman has a 5000% better chance of being selected than an XX woman. XX women are socialised to be nice and quiet and allow others a chance to speak. Our opportunities to counter that are being enthusiastically grabbed by people who haven't received that socialisation due to their XY chromosomes.

There's plenty more but enough for one post. Please continue to engage here @Rightlikeagirl - this isn't an echo chamber and if you disagree with any of these points or any others made by other posters we genuinely want to know why. It gets quite tiring how man threads we see that go
OP- why are you all so nasty and hateful
Us- we don't hate anyone. These are our valid concerns
OP- mean! Nasty! Transphobic!
(No attempt to engage or address concerns)

Please don't let this be yet another.

I mean, good luck standing next to the edge of a train platform wearing an adult human female tee-shirt if one of these charmers rocks up.

Bit goady but there we are. Anyway the men who made these threats are walking the streets now. This is the campaign for Self ID.

I'm struggling to understand why it makes women so angry and also why men seem to be so universally hated on here in general.

Yeah, you haven't been reading.

On the men-hating thing, You have been lucky in your choice of men but those who’ve experienced years of physical & emotional abuse have every right to express their anger. Half the joy of this board is being able to vent about one more lying cheating thieving git of a man. . Women who are happy & loved up don’t vent so you hear less from them.
As for men fearing women, my dad resented us all. He fought to stop us being more successful than him. He didn’t believe in the education of women, women were there to cook and clean. He did all he could to stop my mum driving, having any kind of freedom, stop us getting degrees or financial independence, he needed to control women and when we refused to be controlled, he responded with fury. There are plenty of men who are like that. If you’ve never met one, you are very fortunate.
On the trans thing, I’m still on the fence because I only know of one person and he transitioned 25 years ago, very quietly and discreetly and couldn’t have been less of a threat. But the theoretical danger is obvious Also consider that Business Woman of the year 2018 went to a male banker who wears a dress two days a week. Jokes aside, that’s a much needed loan for a business woman, which has gone to a man! Glass ceiling any one?

Rightlikeagirl, tbh, I think you're probably going to get pretty short shrift with an opener like that. We've had a number of threads started with the same gist, and the suggestion of hating all men or all transpeople is going to put backs up from the get go.

But, I'm fairly mellow this morning, so I'll give you some pointers. A good thread to start with is titled Break it down for me - someone may kindly provide a link, but it should be on the first page or at least the second if you look for it. It's an introduction to why this is important to so many.

I don't want to 'peak trans' you. I think it's a popular phrase with a very limited usefulness. What I would like to do is encourage you to put women and girls at the centre of your thinking, and understand that this is really nothing to do with transanyone - the trans issue appears to be the way a lot of Anti-Woman Activists are attempting to chip away at, or dismantle entirely in some cases, the rights and protections women have fought for over a very long period of time.

Sex-based rights and services are very important for women globally, and the reason is because it is our biology that puts us at a disadvantage. If you remove our ability to point this out by making the term 'woman' refer to a feeling in a man's head, then you go a long way to destroying those rights and protections.

Anyway, I need to start work. I hope you engage with this.

Why are some places segregated by sex? What is the reason for that?

There are places where i do not expect to find people with penises who can overpower me.

I have requested a female therapist at the moment because i have been bereaved and am experiencing dysfunctional crushes on men. I don't expect to have a therapist assigned to me who is male bodied, because i need for that not to happen. Does a trans therapist's need for other people to accept them unquestioningly as female trump my need?

In Sweden in May 2013, 22 year old Kristoffer Johansson killed his 20 year old ex-girlfriend Vatchareeya Bangsuan when she was out jogging, by stabbing her to death, dismembering her body and scattering her body parts in the woods which were later found by the military. He was sentenced to 14 years in prison. The court of appeal lowered the sentence to ten years.

Five years later Kristoffer identifies as a woman and calls himself Kim Marie. During his time in prison he has been in the Class 1 section, the highest security class reserved for male prisoners only. In August 2018 the Swedish Prison and Probation service took the decision to potentially allow Kim Marie to transfer to a women’s prison.

During her time in prison Kim Johansson has been guilty of repeated misconduct, resulting in 34 warnings, mainly for work refusal but also for drug possession.

At the start of her prison sentence, the Prison and Probation service compiled a risk profile and reached the conclusion that the risk that Kim would commit acts of violence and threaten others was high.

The risk profile says “Things worthy of note include the nature of their crime, their interest in weapons, warfare and explosives, their ability to function personality-wise with inadequate emotional resources, inflexible thinking patterns, a vulnerability to stress and a difficulty dealing with social interactions”.

Kim will therefore most likely be moved to a women’s prison which is communal in nature and has less security, as Class 1 does not exist in the women’s estate in Sweden.