Go on then, see if you can peak trans me...

Here's an excellent quote.

"I can imagine no greater act of male entitlement than for a man to say: 'I AM A WOMAN AND IF YOU SAY THAT I'M NOT THEN YOU ARE A BIGOT' "

-Michael Conroy.
(A man)

Just that the issue with trans women for many is that they are in fact men.

No, it’s the issue that they insist they are biological women and that they insist everyone agree with them.

Don't you think yourself more than a non-man?

"Just that the issue with trans women for many is that they are in fact men."

So you think that some people have issues with the current trans ideology because they hate men? Seriously? Not sure where to start with that one.

And also to fight against the concept that being trans is nothing to do with doctors and demedicalise the process. This results in mental health support being stripped away and people thinking "coming out as trans" is like coming out as gay. It isn't.

The medical effects on children are absolutely hair raising, permanent and irreversible. From the American College of Paediatricians: www.acpeds.org/the-college-speaks/position-statements/gender-ideology-harms-children

This picture peak trans’d me. And I’m not even into sport. It was just the plain injustice of it.

Oh, and I also bring up a son. And if he should ever feel compelled to transition, I will be damned if he doesn‘t do it clear eyed. It is clearly possible, and rational transsexuals exist, including rational autogynephiles (e. g. Anne Lawrence).

By true transgender people, you know that the Trans Demanders call these people Truscum right?

For me, it’s quite simple. My priority is maintaining existing women’s rights whilst also fighting to get full equal opportunity for all women. The changes proposed as far as self ID goes, would remove existing rights women have in law.

I am also prioritising the rights of women to set boundaries and to maintain sex separated spaces. Both for our comfort and our safety. My teenage daughter doesn’t want to get changed next to Male bodies and neither do I. I get the shakes just going to the doctor. I am a victim of many sexual assaults, the first at aged 11. I told my school principal and he screamed at me and threatened me with police action. So in the 30 something years since then, which include more harassment and assaults, more disrespect from doctors over my hormone problems... I have developed what I think is an understandable and natural fear of males I do not know in spaces typically reserved for women or girls. I also can only have female doctors performing intimate examinations. None of my feelings are born of ‘bigotry’ at all. I don’t care how others dress, what their interests are etc i don’t think clothes or make up or thoughts in someone’s head, make someone male or female. I find that idea incredibly sexist and outdated, unhelpful for both girls and boys. I believe in observable material reality. If others do not, that’s their prerogative. But we have to set down some basic facts about human beings based on observable biological reality. It does not mean a trans person is ‘less than’ or should be treated badly. But I will not have ideology forced on me, nor will I sit quiet as my rights are eroded and males force their way into my spaces. It’s simply not fair to ask more of women. I’ve had so much freedom taken from me already. By males.

The solution for the people who want to quietly transition is the same as it ever was. Dress how you like. If people realise you want to be addressed as a woman they will mostly be kind enough to go along with it. Don't expect it though and don't get mad if they call you "sir". Don't attempt to access women only spaces.

My friend's child spends a lot of time dressed as a pirate. I always address her as "me hearty!" when she's in pirate garb. She's not allowed to pillage my house though (not that she ever would try).

I do believe the lady has peak transed!

I know two "old fashioned" trans women and they have both said this new generation of trans activists is harming them. Because there is increasingly no way to "quietly transition".

I think the only way to protect them and people like them is to fight self-ID which makes it impossible to distinguish between "true" transgender people with gender dysphoria and this new generation of trans activists who seem to be utterly trapped in a rigid construct of gender roles and intent not on passing and keeping their heads down but demanding access to women's separate spaces, scholarships, all women shortlists, sports.

Image too shocking so we use Sandy's drawing.

Women transitioning to men have sections of their skin removed from arms and / or thighs to create pseudo-penises. It has to be quite deeply removed, and is almost to the bone.

We are creating a climate in which toxic masculinity is so horrific for girls that teenagers cannot cope with puberty and are told the solution to the problem is not to address boys/men's behaviour towards women and girls, but to become a boy/man to make it stop.

I know exactly why so many young women don't want to be young women, but is this the answer?

Of course while more non-conforming women transition, it leaves the remaining non-conformers with less support from their peers.

Basically Stepford Wives or transition. No middle ground.

I take it you don‘t do competitive sports or compete for scholarships or think you‘ll ever need protection from male violence in a woman‘s shelter or that you might ever be exposed to a prison setting, where a violent male might intimidate you, nor do you have a child you may not want to expose to the kinks of a Jess Bradley in a, say, changing room. Oh, and you only care about yourself. That sums it up, I guess. The people not giving a shit until something affected them personally - which they never thought it would - are legion. Oh well.

All it would take is to read ONE thread about this and anyone with half a brain would get it the issue. If you don't get it after reading lots of threads on here then I'm not sure anyone can help you.

I'll answer your question about what about someone who genuinely does feel better living as a women and is on the verge of suicide until this decision is made and is therefore much happier? How do we make these people and all women feel safe?

If a man has a mental health problem so severe he is suicidal over the thought of his male body then that is a very sad thing and I would hope he could access services to help him. Maybe dressing as a woman helps him, no problem there.

None of that means everyone should be obliged to say he is a woman. It does not mean women and girls have to accept him as a woman. Nor should providers of women's services have to go along with his delusion. We don't do that with any other delusonal thinking.

Centre the women and girls. Let's say you have a women's hospital ward. The suicidal dysphoric male wants to be in the women's ward. It is reasonable and sensible for the women to say No to making an exception for him. They are ill and vulnerable they don't want a man in there. It is sad that he will feel severely depressed that this reminds him he is not actually a woman and has no right to be in a women's space. His feelings don't trump their feelings, he can't come in.

Think of it this way, if an anorexic person is suicidal because of body dysphoria, Slimming World still won't let them join despite the person saying being on a diet plan is essential to their mental health, despite the person saying they are fat too, despite the person getting seriously upset if anyone says they are not fat and don't belong there. Nobody blames Slimming World or its members for being anorexic-phobic.

Man is suicidal because he wants to have a woman's body and wants everyone to believe he is a woman. My heart goes out to him. Nevertheless the help he needs has to come from some other source than vulnerable women in a closed environment being required to pretend he is something he is not.

To be clear, he should definitely be given help for his dysphoria. However, going along with his delusion isn't a reasonable requirement on women and women's services. Saying no, is a perfectly reasonable thing to do and should be uncontroversial.

Bloody apostrophe - that's Apple's not mine

I am as gender critical Rad Fem as they come thanks to these boards.

My 3 year old daughter loves pink, my little fucking pony and glitter, hair shit, jewellery and sparkles

She is exposed to too much in society for me to counteract. Plus I don't want to undermine her sense of self just as it starts to bloom.

So despite your best efforts, your boys are given strong messages about gender from birth.

In today's increasingly gender rigid society, we have to work really, really hard to put the other point of view across.

And the Trans ideology makes this eleventy time's worse

Didn't you read about Karen White? Part time cross dresser who has never even attended a gender clinic appointment. No physical transition at all, still has his penis. Rapist of women and children. Said I want to be a woman now and so the authorities all jumped to his command and found him a place in a women's prison (one that also has a mother and baby unit) and he proceeded to sexually assault 4 women who had no means of getting away from him.

If stuff like this doesn't make you see how women are being thrown under a bus I'm not sure what will tbh. Only a disgusting woman hating rape apologist could defend this.

OP-what did it for me was realising that there is no room for anything less than complete capitulation. So with self-id there is no room for:
but what about male prisoners?
and that's how you get Ian Huntley....

If mermaids or gires or gendered intelligence are advising your children's school, your children will be taught that they can change sex if they don't like being a boy or a girl. GIRES have material for children aged 3-6 showing sex-changing penguins who get to have a party if they decide to change sex. Don't assume your children are safe from this - and even if they are, do you care about other children?

Peaked yet?

no I think he is an evil man. He had lived his entire life as a man and committed his atrocities as a man

What is the difference between this man, and any other man wanting to call themselves women?