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Go on then, see if you can peak trans me...

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Rightlikeagirl · 30/09/2018 06:19

I've come across so many of these threads at the moment on mumsnet and I'm interested/intrigued in them because I have never seen trans women (or men) as a problem. They don't affect my day to day life at all. In fact I don't believe I've ever met a trans woman in real life, that I know of anyway.

I'm struggling to understand why it makes women so angry and also why men seem to be so universally hated on here in general. I've just been reading a thread about how they fear women and how they fear them having a voice and doing better than them. This just does not ring true for me - the men I know I just not like this!

Anyway I'm prepared to listen and find out more about this subject. I don't think you will actually peak trans me though...

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leonaza · 30/09/2018 20:50

I guess I'm just wondering what is the solution for the poor people that just want to "quietly transition" as a PP put it?

The current situation is that someone transitioning has to live as that gender for two years and be undergoing treatment before they can legally ID as a woman. That is not a long time to wait, and you don't have to ever have surgery or actually physically transition to maintain that identification.

The difference is now people would be able to claim that legal identity simply by filling in a form. Ie, anyone can do that. A huge concern of many women here is not, as trans activists often claim, that trans people pose a danger, it's the access that that can grant to anyone, and no one will be able to challenge it.

Is it worth exposing women and girls to this risk so trans people don't have to wait a mere two years or show any proof they are in fact living as that gender? Even many trans people themselves don't think so. And if you aren't actually living as a woman, why would you want access to their spaces?

This isn't just a loophole, this is a chasm being blasted through women's rights.

Not to mention the move against the word woman or the idea that not all women have female biology. How will we be able to argue a policy is discriminatory against women - for example lack of provision of cervical screening, or abortion, or even the tampon tax - if opponents can counter that not all women have cervixes. The implications of this are so deep - sorry to go on, once you start looking into all of this you can't really go back.. Smile good luck with your research!

Poppyred85 · 30/09/2018 20:25

Fowl I’m really sorry to hear that. If you feel able to I would consider making a complaint to the head and ask what steps they personally are going to take to make sure something like that doesn’t happen again. They have potentially endangered you and your children. They need to understand how serious this is. If they don’t or you feel you can’t, and you still have social services or MARAC worker involved get them to speak to them. This is basic safeguarding.

As for peak transing, I’m not sure I have yet. I thought I had when I first read about how I’m now supposedly a ciswoman. Then I read about Danielle Muscato and thought I’d peaked, then Jenni Murray. Every time I think I’ve peaked, I turn around and there’s another bloody peak ahead of me.

Datun · 30/09/2018 19:55

FowlerThanFowl

That is bloody shit. How dare they. I know you can get another email address but what a fucking nuisance.

FowlerThanFowl · 30/09/2018 19:51

Datun that's a bloody good idea. Tonight I'm fuming that my child's school has disclosed my email address to my ex despite me explaining he can't know due to DV. His only method of torture now we are separated is coercive control which he does via email or my solicitor. By having an email he didn't know I felt safer as he can't contact me direct and my solicitor filters the abuse. I'm so angry. Every day I'm hyper vigilant incase he or his family come after me. Checking doors and windows all the time, changing my route home and not answering calls if I don't recognise the number. I live in perpetual fear and I'm wary of any man as a result. It's shit.

UpstartCrow · 30/09/2018 19:41

I'm not going to try to peak trans the OP. If OP is female, at some point she will get what we are talking about. I just hope it won't be too late.

ButtermilkBiscuits · 30/09/2018 19:35

Lily Madigan...just read about Lily Madigan. Lily is a Labour Party women's officer who uses the platform to attack and silence women whilst promoting a solely transgender agenda. Lily has absolutely zero interest in women's issues, and I can only presume it's because Lily isn't one.

Datun · 30/09/2018 19:29

ScienceRoar

I remember seeing a clip of that talk.

It's absolutely true. But it's so ingrained, we don't even think. It's just like breathing.

On my porch, I have kept my son's army cadet boots, a whopping size 13. He hasn't worn them in eight years, but I keep them there so people think that there is a massive bloke in the house.

Every now and then, I reorganise the porch - flower pot, milk bottle holder, door mat, broom. I pick the boots up to get rid of them, then I put them back. Just in case...

Rightlikeagirl · 30/09/2018 18:53

Really helpful and interesting video thanks @LittlePearl

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ToeToToe · 30/09/2018 16:11

Stefonknee.

ToeToToe · 30/09/2018 16:08

Stephonknee. Yeah - I'd forgotten one on my long list on the peaktrans thread.

Yup. If that doesn't peak trans you, nothing will.

And if it doesn't peak trans you - your motives are suspect. Sorry if the truth hurts.

DisrespectfulAdultFemale · 30/09/2018 15:51

I don't think you will actually peak trans me though...

Biscuit

If MN had a yawn emoji, I would post that instead.

LittlePearl · 30/09/2018 15:49

If you're really serious OP this is a helpful video:

m.youtube.com/watch?v=sowoe71lB6A

I don't hate men. I have adult sons, a great father and a lovely husband. But I recognise that many, many women have had terrible experiences at the hands of men and this is about dignity, privacy and safety for ALL women.

ScienceRoar · 30/09/2018 15:46

Women feel safe among women; men have to earn our trust.
The expectation that declaring oneself a woman is sufficient to earn our trust.

@RightLikeAGirl are you a man? See the quote below

"Guys ask why women are so pissed off. Even guys with wives and daughters.

Jackson Katz, a prominent social researcher, illustrates why. He's done it with hundreds of audiences:

"I draw a line down the middle of a chalkboard, sketching a male symbol on one side and a female symbol on the other.
Then I ask just the men: What steps do you guys take, on a daily basis, to prevent yourselves from being sexually assaulted? At first there is a kind of awkward silence as the men try to figure out if they've been asked a trick question. The silence gives way to a smattering of nervous laughter.

Occasionally, a young a guy will raise his hand and say, 'I stay out of prison.' This is typically followed by another moment of laughter, before someone finally raises his hand and soberly states, 'Nothing. I don't think about it.'

Then I ask the women the same question. What steps do you take on a daily basis to prevent yourselves from being sexually assaulted? Women throughout the audience immediately start raising their hands. As the men sit in stunned silence, the women recount safety precautions they take as part of their daily routine.

Hold my keys as a potential weapon. Look in the back seat of the car before getting in. Carry a cell phone. Don't go jogging at night. Lock all the windows when I sleep, even on hot summer nights. Be careful not to drink too much. Don't put my drink down and come back to it; make sure I see it being poured. Own a big dog. Carry Mace or pepper spray. Have an unlisted phone number. Have a man's voice on my answering machine. Park in well-lit areas. Don't use parking garages. Don't get on elevators with only one man, or with a group of men. Vary my route home from work. Watch what I wear. Don't use highway rest areas. Use a home alarm system. Don't wear headphones when jogging. Avoid forests or wooded areas, even in the daytime. Don't take a first-floor apartment. Go out in groups. Own a firearm. Meet men on first dates in public places. Make sure to have a car or cab fare. Don't make eye contact with men on the street. Make assertive eye contact with men on the street.”

― Jackson Katz, The Macho Paradox: Why Some Men Hurt Women and How All Men Can Help (The first man to minor in women's studies at the University of Massachusetts-Amherst, holds a master's degree from the Harvard Graduate School of Education, and a Ph.D. in cultural studies and education from UCLA.)

FesteringCarbuncle · 30/09/2018 14:48

I saw Lila Perry on the news and I was thinking am I the only person seeing that semi swinging freely under a short skirt
Lila had also been reported for sleezy behaviour towards girls
I do not believe for one minute Lila has dysphoria. They seem proud of their penis

YetAnotherSpartacus · 30/09/2018 12:26

Lila's erection made me feel sick. All these girls were being vilified for not wanting to change with Lila and Lila was playing the victim oh-so-nicely and then had the absolute audacity to parade for the cameras with a partly erect cock. Lila knew what Lila wanted and what Lila was doing aaaaalll along. So did the girls. But guess who had the power?

NotANotMan · 30/09/2018 12:18

Oh my god Shock

Go on then, see if you can peak trans me...
Go on then, see if you can peak trans me...
RepealtheGRA · 30/09/2018 12:00

And for any lurkers here’s a list of nice sane trans people to google, but I wouldn’t insult them by putting them on the same list as the above fuckwits.

Miranda Yardley
Kristina Harrison
Jenny Randles
Fionne Orlander
Debbie Hayton

RepealtheGRA · 30/09/2018 11:56

I was going to say google:

Stefonknee Wolscht
Alex Drummond
Aimee Challenor
Karen White
Michelle Lewin
Lila Perry
David Challenor
Jess Bradley
ATH
Danielle Muscato
Tiffany Scott
Gabriella Ludwig
Hannah Mouncey
Sarah Brown
Michelle Lewin

They’re just names off the top of my head there are many, many more and I see some have already been covered. But really OP if you don’t have access to google and critical thinking skills, I can’t help you.

TwistedStitch · 30/09/2018 11:52

OMG.

YetAnotherSpartacus · 30/09/2018 11:36

Does the video of Lila wearing that short skirt with a very obvious part erection still exist?

Oh yeah!

Look from 3:15 onwards.

Datun · 30/09/2018 11:30

This is Lila Perry. Both pics.

The problem with all this is it's a predator's dream. Any chancer, opportunist, fetishist.

Wearing women's clothes is a fetish that men have, not women.

And many transactivists are trying to legitimise it. By using gender dysphoria as the Trojan horse.

And bullying, misogynistic, domineering men who like to intimidate women are flocking to the movement. It's a gift for them.

Go on then, see if you can peak trans me...
Go on then, see if you can peak trans me...
breastfeedingclownfish · 30/09/2018 11:10

Lila Perry peaktransed me.

Very clearly wearing no underwear under a short school skirt, demanded and gained access to girls' changing rooms.

Can say much more as I want the thread to stand. Google it.

dolorsit · 30/09/2018 11:00

*Datun
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We can talk about Susie green. The mods don't approve of the concentrated discussion about the genitalia of children.

Thank you for the clarification. I agree it is very distasteful to discuss a child's genitalia and I am quite stunned at the way Susie Green has discussed her child publicly.

Pusheenicorn · 30/09/2018 10:49

Also, at its very very most boiled and diluted down way.

A man cannot be a woman. The end. I don't care if you want to wear make up, dresses, high heels etc... good for you. You're still male.

And women aren't even called women anymore... men who decide they are women are called women. We are now cis-women. Why did we lose our own label?

And lastly, there was a thing on Twitter a while back whereby transwoman were taking used sanitary wear from the bins in toilets and wearing them because it made them feel female.

Oh AND transwoman have periods. Except they don't bleed, because they physically can't but they get all the cramps and mood swings and whatever else.... sure.

This might get deleted... I don't follow the guidelines for posting here because I never post here but oh well.

PosieRulzOk · 30/09/2018 10:45

Cotton ceiling and Jenni Murray peaked me.

The statement TWAW is rubbish as only men can be TW. A woman can't be a TW.

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