Go on then, see if you can peak trans me...

I'm in the same lucky position as you, OP. I don't think a change to the law will affect me personally very much at at all, and I don't even have any children to be affected in a future world where women have been forced back into a subordinate role because they can't organise together or even talk about womanhood.

One of the main reasons it doesn't frighten me that there will be no women only spaces in public areas any more is that I rarely go anywhere without my husband these days, a man who I love very much. My feminist analysis of society doesn't mean I hate men, or think all men are violent. Just that members of the male sex are responsible for the violence that pervades our society and controls women's behaviour and status in society.

Unlike you, I can't do what IW said on daytime tv the other day, and just mind my own business, because this affects other people - other women - and I can't ignore this attack on our rights. Now why would someone like IW want everyone to go away and mind their own business?

I feel the same about climate change. We're literally destroying the environment we live in, but it won't affect my life, so why should I care about future generations. A tad selfish maybe?

tillytop

Nobody here thinks any different. But laws made to protect the third group have enabled the first two.

I think I'm going by my own feelings here. Men dressing as little girls sickens me, men claiming they are women expecting to override women's/girls rights anger me. Genuine transpeople, wish them well.

I think all three have mental health issues. I would be utterly amazed if anybody who had, had Aimee’s childhood did not.

Repeal are we in agreement that Stefonknee and Chanellor have definite mental health problems whereas Aimee possibly might not? As for these people having the power to influence policies, not much shocks or surprises me nowadays.

I think the way to see it is that many people have fetishes, and for most they function as a sort of condiment that's added to their sex life sometimes to spice things up, but in some cases the fetish completely takes over their life, and that's how you get someone like Stefoknee.

"Sexual fetish isn't mental illness"

It is if your fetish becomes indistinguishable in your mind from your identity.

tillytop

The reason Stefonknee Wolscht is linked to transgender issues is that the Canadian government consulted him and took him seriously with regards to trans issues.

The reason that David Challenor, who raped and tortured a ten year old girl, while wearing a nappy and identifying himself as a six year old girl called Lucy, is linked to transgender issues is because his child Ashton/Aimee who identifies as a woman, employed him as an election agent. Aimee was taken seriously by both the greens and Stonewall and has been allowed to influence policy. These policies have affected schools and girl guides.

The greens are finally investigating Aimee, so Aimee has left and joined the Lib Dem’s.

I think of transpeople as a mixture. Some genuine, some fads, some attention seeking, some using it to gain entry into women's spaces, etc. But man to six year old girl, definitely mental illness. Thanks for the dragon link btw NotANotMan I learn something new every day!

Why do you keep saying that?
Sexual fetish isn't mental illness. It feels like you're trying to distinguish between something so obviously ridiculous (60 year old man identifies as 7 year old girl) by saying it must be mental illness and the idea that a man can identify as a woman which is literally the same concept.

I think Stinewall has done everyone a disservice here. I wish we could find a way of separating out the transpeople who want, as they always have done, to just get on with their lives and the TRA types. In the same way we should separate out the transphobes-who are only too real and active- and the people who are perfectly happy to share the world with transpeople, and want them to have all the rights and protections that non transpeople have but who want to talk about the very few areas where rights conflict. There are plenty of transpeople who want to have that discussion too- but they are being drowned out by a very vocal minority.

The mental illness argument is interesting. Eva Tiemat, the male person who started by transitioning into a transwoman then moved on to wanting to look like a dragon, is often presented as if the dragon surgeries are a sign of mental illness whilst the 'female' surgeries are just normal, revealing 'her true self'. He's often just described as a 'woman' who wants to be a dragon.
No critical thought applied to the concept that if surgery to look like a dragon is bizarre, why isn't surgery to look like a woman?
www.unilad.co.uk/life/trans-species-woman-spends-40000-to-turn-herself-into-a-dragon/

So that's definitely mental illness, isn't it?

Why?
Seriously, why is it mental illness to believe you are a 7 year old but not to believe you are the opposite sex?
Stephonknee doesn't actually believe he's a child anyway, living as a child is a sexua fetish. He lives with his 'parents' who he has sex with whilst dressed in little girls clothes.

I meant (but was trying to be polite) isn't that definite mental illness as opposed to whatever the other is?

Stefonknee, the "six year old girl". Isn't that a different issue altogether, from adult to child? Why is Stefonknee linking it with transgender issues?

Stephonknee is a man. Who identifies as a female child. You don't see how that's linked to transgender issues?

And fwiw, I don't think OP is a woman.

Stefonknee, the "six year old girl". Isn't that a different issue altogether, from adult to child? Why is Stefonknee linking it with transgender issues?

Perfect example of male privilege. Lila 4.05> Pure and simple bigotry. I think that they are using the claim that they are uncomfortable as an excuse to target me
So when Lila is uncomfortable, Lila's feelings are important and real. When the girls claim they are uncomfortable it's just an excuse.

Just watched the Lila video.

The comments have real transphobia in them. That's what it looks like. NOT here on MN. Never read anything remotely resembling what it written in the YT comments, here.

I also added a bonus pic of vitriol towards feminists too 🙄

waterlego thank you for your kind words. It really can be disheartening sometimes, but I feel better now. What happened in Leeds might just be the catalyst we need to reach critical mass.

I would find it hurtful too Waterlego The idea of being attacked like that really inhibits me on facebook.

people should be able to human however they fucking well like I love this.

Charlie, I hear you. I spent a while very politely arguing with some strangers on FB recently about the dismissal of the guide leader. (Sorry, I’ve forgotten her name, I know she posts). I was relentlessly polite. I avoided generalisations, I didn’t make personal, hateful or mocking comments about trans people, I didn’t misgender anyone. I simply said that it was difficult for me to understand how transwomen are actually women, and could they please just answer at least one or two of my questions (I had lots, all phrases respectfully)

I patiently explained the issues as gender critics see them. I didn’t even link to articles about trans woman criminals and sex offenders, because I’m so ridiculously conditioned to skirt around issues so as not to upset or anger people. I am terrified of confrontation of any type.

The response to my attempt at debate was being called a bigot, a dick, told to fuck off, accused of having a personality disorder, lying and being manipulative. And this was not a public comment thread on a large page, it was on a friend’s page. She does have a lot of FB friends, but even so.

I was gutted, actually, because even though I know they are totally wrong in their views, and directing their anger the wrong way; I still found it hurtful.

I peak transed a long time ago, but I have intermittently tried to hash out the argument with a TRA on a twitter or FB. Because ultimately, I believe in debate and democracy and the power of communication and dialogue. But I don’t think I have the energy to try to engage with any of them ever again.

I've leant towards radical feminism all my life. For me, gender is a deeply damaging construct which forces boys to perform a competitive, physically aggressive and emotionally repressed form of masculinity which causes them enormous harm and heavily contributes to both the male suicide rate and violence, among other symptoms of their distress. For girls, well, we all know what gender norms do to us. One of the biggest problems I have with the language and requirements of current transgender thinking is that it enforces the rules of gender stereotyping - little boys who like shiny things and who aren't naturally comfortable with hyper-competitiveness etc are told they must be trans; that's not fair.

There is more than one type of male and one type of female and people should be able to human however they fucking well like without some fool telling them that their bodies are wrong.

@Rightlikeagirl

Thank you for your question. And thanks to all of the posters who have replied so far. As always, these responses are most informative, well argued, eloquent or distilled to the bare minimum. Collossal effort and well worth the energy, for sure.

But I'm sorry to say that I do not wish to peaktrans you. It's not a happy place to be.

I've learned so very much since I peaktransed last September, following the assault on Skepticat. What seemed like literally every progressive organisation, journalists and political party members were publicly coming out and applauding the violence, saying a 60 year old woman deserved to be beat up by those three males. She was guilty of transphobia, after all, because she wanted to attend a women's meeting about wanting to uphold existing women's rights.

Ignorance really is bliss on this issue. I just spent ages explaining to someone how sex self-identification is harming so many women and girls in this country already. With evidence and sources. Without a single word remotely negative about trans people in general, and no bad word about individual trans people apart from the documented cases of rapists put into women's prison.

The response? You don't care about individuals, do you. You just don't have any empathy. And once again being told that a discussion solely about the reality and danger of male violence to women and girls is a clear sign of my transphobia, bigotry and extreme right wing, conservative mindset.

Sometimes I wish I hadn't peaktransed. I really do.