Go on then, see if you can peak trans me...

Thank you Smellyhead. It made me feel anxious and angry so I had to just step away eventually and go and sit in the sunshine with my lovely dog, which is a guaranteed way to help me forget about Internet twats!

The refusal to engage or listen is so infuriating, and of course is a tactic used by children when they know they are on shaky ground in a disagreement 😆

The cotton ceiling really surprised me, genuinely perplexed at the idea that a lesbian is transphobic for not fancying a man 🤔 I feel like I must have missed a massive point somewhere?!

I was always under the impression that people are free to fancy whomever they wish, and obviously that feeling isn't always reciprocated but it's apparently a sleight against trans people if a gay person says they don't want a relationship with someone who is the opposite sex because it implies they don't accept them as being what they identify as?

Am I understanding their point correctly? I feel baffled right now, and also conscious I'm going to say something that's going to get me reported unintentionally 😬

why is it always men?

Bertrand I think about this a lot and I'm convinced it's yet another manifestation of male privilege. Transwomen were socialised as male and benefited from male privilege all their lives, therefore feel entitled to demand access to rights and spaces fought for and carved out for women in recognition of historic oppression and underrepresentation.

I think the blog post "Do women and girls have too many rights" hits the nail on the head in this regard:

"There are increasing numbers of public institutions and businesses who believe that women and girls are so equal now that we no longer need the legislative and social protections which were fought for and won by previous feminists. We are so safe now we no longer need the provisions in law intended to ensure our safety. We have such a major voice now that we no longer need the mechanisms intended to increase our political representation. We have so much recognition for our work that we no longer need women-only prizes and awards. We are so equal in opportunity to men and boys that we no longer need any special treatment to level the playing field."

That whole blog post is a cracker, and definitely worth a read.

OldCrone
That's the logic.....but we know it's not true, don't we?

Men, regardless of whether they have reduced testosterone levels, still have enormous advantages over women in sports. I heard a scientist speaking on this - skeletal, physiological and muscular differences mean they will almost always be stronger.

Presumably because they would be disadvantaged in male sports so would rarely, if ever, win; and because they would very likely be unsafe in men's changing rooms. They have been women for long enough to know the risks men pose to women's safety.

But we are told that transwomen can compete in women's sports because they have no advantage. If that were true then surely transmen would not be disadvantaged when competing with the men.

Why would transmen be unsafe in men's changing rooms? If transwomen are women then transmen are men and they would be no more unsafe in with the men than any other man is.

I do struggle with translogic. But perhaps translogic is logic in the same way as transwomen are women.

Rightlikeagirl there are regular midnight threads coming on by people all wide eyed... similar to your OP... "how can you be so transphobic. . You nest of vipers".

That's why you have got a few "off" replies. I was wondering too and lurking to see whether the thread descended into something else.

Glad to see you're genuine! Welcome aboard and buckle up

There's really nothing more to say. You can lead a horse to water but you can't make it drink.

Bertrand
Where are the transmen campaigning to compete in men's sport and use men's changing rooms?

Presumably because they would be disadvantaged in male sports so would rarely, if ever, win; and because they would very likely be unsafe in men's changing rooms. They have been women for long enough to know the risks men pose to women's safety.

No- but he passes incredibly well.

Do they have any problems in the men's Bertrand?

I know two trans men-one uses the men's-the other the women's.

Yup. It really highlights the different motivations, doesn’t it? Transmen don’t seem to have the same insatiable need for validation which must be upheld at all costs. Or if they do, their fear of men keeps them out of the men’s facilities anyway.

How they're NOT afraid to use the ladies. Sorry.

Transphobic not transposition.

Bertrand DD (adult) has two transmen friends. They say they like to be unobtrusive, keep a low profile. They say they would be too afraid to use the men's loo and always use the ladies. Always been accepted in the ladies, no problems at all. One has part transitioned (top part) Interesting how they're at all afraid to use the ladies? (considering how threatening and transposition we all are)

One question that isn't asked enough is why is it always men? Where are the transmen campaigning to compete in men's sport and use men's changing rooms?

MonkeysMummy17 I get deleted for my thoughts on what constitutes child abuse, homophobia and misogyny. So I put my thoughts in letters to my MP who then forwards them to the appropriate government department. I suggest you and all other lurkers do the same.

It is the job of MP’s to ensure that our laws are fit for purpose.

Welcome to Camp Peak Trans, Monkeys. We have tea, biscuits, and incredulous rage at how much dangerous nonsense our politicians and organizations have attempted to push through without the general public noticing.

are we in agreement that Stefonknee and Chanellor have definite mental health problems whereas Aimee possibly might not?

Stefonknee, DC and AC all have ABDL fetish. AC also has a brony/furry fetish. Surely they are either all mentally ill or none of them are. DC rape and torture of a 10 year old girl was, afaik, criminal i.e. not as a result of diminished responsibility.

Yes monkeys we have to be careful what we say, a bit like nazi times. I'm fully expecting to have some posts deleted because I mentioned mental illness. And possibly this one because I'm likening having to keep quiet, to nazi era.

I'm pretty new to most of this, but googling some of the suggestions on this thread have left me shocked! Cotton ceiling, Karen White, Ian Huntley... Its actually scary these things are going on quietly in the background and working to erode the rights of women and girls.
The idea that saying I am a woman is offensive because I should be saying cis?! Since when is saying I'm a woman a cause for offense? This is crazy! Genuinely concerned and yet it seems that if anyone says anything about the concerns then they're transphobic or something? So we have to keep quiet about being concerned so that we don't offend the men? Jesus

This is only one aspect of it - but it might help you understand better mobile.wnd.com/2017/03/female-athletes-crushed-by-women-who-were-once-men/#MFPG3M5HjZJDZl8y.01

My favourite quote from Posie last week was "women are allowed to be angry." Some people including Ruth (interviewer) seem surprised by this.

I most likely won't live to see Shanghai completely submerged by rising sea levels, and I don't live in China. That doesn't mean I don't think we should try to prevent it from happening.