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Go on then, see if you can peak trans me...

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Rightlikeagirl · 30/09/2018 06:19

I've come across so many of these threads at the moment on mumsnet and I'm interested/intrigued in them because I have never seen trans women (or men) as a problem. They don't affect my day to day life at all. In fact I don't believe I've ever met a trans woman in real life, that I know of anyway.

I'm struggling to understand why it makes women so angry and also why men seem to be so universally hated on here in general. I've just been reading a thread about how they fear women and how they fear them having a voice and doing better than them. This just does not ring true for me - the men I know I just not like this!

Anyway I'm prepared to listen and find out more about this subject. I don't think you will actually peak trans me though...

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AmazingGrace16 · 30/09/2018 06:52

I think I'm in quite a similar place to you op. A lot of peak trans posts on here refer to things or use acronyms I don't fully understand so it's hard to understand points of view.
However I think it's more the self id thing that peak trans' people. Again I have little understanding, but I believe people can legally id as what they like. This threatens women more so than men as a woman iding as a man can be a lot less intimidating or threatening than the other way around. I've struggled to understand why people would do it if it weren't for genuine reasons and then I came across a banker who is a man who sometimes ids as a woman. He was nominated in a top female list recently. This frustrated me as for all intents and purposes he is a male. He sometimes wears a dress and sometimes calls himself Pips. To me this doesn't make him a woman. Women are fighting to get more equality in pay and senior roles and to me it feels a bit of a piss take that he is recognised as being female because surely that skews everything. It's like a huge company having only males on the directors, realising it shows gender inequality so gets a few of them to put dresses on and self id as women. I truly didn't think this would happen but it does.
The other thing that infuriated me about the article was that this person seemed to make a ridicule of women's clothes. Honestly the dress they were pictured in was horrific. Garish, pink, ott. It made me cross because most women I know who hols senior roles would never dream to dress like that. It gave the distinct impression to me of a hugely stereotyped woman. That made me cross because it felt like the self id thing was being done not for genuine reasons, but for personal gain. And that's what sits uncomfortably for me. When people self id to access things for personal gain. Male rapists in female prisons for example.

KatVonGulag · 30/09/2018 06:47

No idea what the fish relates to
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NopeNi · 30/09/2018 06:45

Ah, "man haters". Yes. I missed your goady username too. More fool me.

For anyone else reading, the suicide stats are fucking dubious at best and absolutely lied about at worst. Start there. (They're also not relevant to most of the people under stonewall's definitions of "trans" which includes cross-dressers.)

FesteringCarbuncle · 30/09/2018 06:44

That was me as well
I read chat forums and Reddit and realised how much women were hated
I don't believe you are genuine thoughGrin

Rightlikeagirl · 30/09/2018 06:43

I will do that too then @TinyRick
(Still confused about the fish)

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TinyRick · 30/09/2018 06:42

If you are genuine though.

What peaked me was doing what they said to do...read their side.

So I read trans subreddits, forums, personal websites, Medium pieces, twitter pages etc

Never before have I come across so many dicks, figuratively and literally.

And that was a few years ago. Only got worse since.

Rightlikeagirl · 30/09/2018 06:41

Ok so I'm very slow at typing and there have been some responses while I typed the last post. I'll look those up @NoProbLlama78 and read about them thank you.

No idea what the fish is in reference too?

Anyway, maybe I should have called this thread something else but had just learnt the term! But there a lot of people here that are knowledgeable and passionate on the subject and I am interested in hearing more about it. I literally do not know where to start!

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TransposersArePosers · 30/09/2018 06:41

From your OP (first post on Mumsnet? ) I would guess that you haven't actually read many of the threads on here - scanning through the titles doesn't count.

Rightlikeagirl · 30/09/2018 06:36

I haven't read everything and a lot of it is using terminology I don't understand and talking about people I've never heard of and situations that have occurred that I know nothing about. I've literally just heard the expression "peak trans".

The thread about What peak transed peopled I think is aimed at people that know a lot about the subject. I'm interested in learning more but at the moment really can't imagine being opposed to trans people in general. Much of it I totally get but what about someone who genuinely does feel better living as a women and is on the verge of suicide until this decision is made and is therefore much happier? How do we make these people and all women feel safe?

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NotBadConsidering · 30/09/2018 06:36

They don't affect my day to day life at all

Well here’s your fucking problem then. You don’t have an ounce of empathy. Imagine you’re a woman locked up in a prison with a male rapist paedophile who was put there under the name of “trans rights”. If you can’t see how that might be problem for other people you might as well just fuck off without bothering.

TinyRick · 30/09/2018 06:32

I'm struggling to understand why it makes women so angry and also why men seem to be so universally hated on here in general

Stopped reading after this.

I see you 🐟

alexpolistigers · 30/09/2018 06:30

What makes you think men are universally hated? That's not the case at all. Many of us are married to men or have sons who we love.

I am happy for you that your life has been unaffected by the trans issue. I am not going to try to peak trans you, as you put it. It's for you to engage your own intellect. There are many threads you can read, on topics ranging from women's prisons to healthcare; from privacy to changing rooms; from education to medical side effects. And so forth. Plus, there's no shortage of news articles, with varying degrees of analysis and various viewpoints put across. Read, look at all sides of the argument, and form your opinions.

NoProbLlama78 · 30/09/2018 06:28

One thing to look at is the cotton ceiling. It's the expectation that lesbians should be open to dating people with a female penis. They get abused and called bigots for being lesbians. It comes across as the TRA version of the friend zone. It's homophobic.

ChrysanthemumsAreMums · 30/09/2018 06:26

There's a thread right next to this one : "What peak transed you?". Have a look. I think it's a bit rude to expect anyone else to do the heavy lifting for you Smile HTH

NopeNi · 30/09/2018 06:24
Confused

If you've read all about it and don't give a shit, what else is to be said?

You've probably already picked up that it's not "all trans people" who threaten us, it's the nature of transgender ideology and self-ID.

Women's sports, refuges, scholarships, single-sex opportunities, protections, spaces, legal definitions, all technically and increasingly really lost, because being a woman is apparently now a feeling inside, not a material reality.

But you don't care. So what's the point of talking?

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