What peak transed you

DJLippy
Ugh what a vile man. I'm sorry you experienced that.

I remember one interaction I had with someone who tried to claim that taking hormones and having surgery caused cells to change from male to female. Then they claimed to be a doctor. That's when I realised - they just lie and lie and lie. They throw lies and hope something sticks. Truth is something so esoteric and fluid that they have no qualms talking absolute shite.
I just went back and screenshotted that discussion, it was over a year ago.

I think dh was peaked today. He commented on a Karen White post in his online community (male dominated and pretty trans neutral) and was surprised by a truly hysterical, sweary, nasty reply! His offending comment? One word. He. (The posted article used female pronouns for a male rapist)

Also, Gendertrender. Absolutely amazing resource. Gallus Mag changed my life. Reading those fierce women helped me to see and shed some of my need to be nice.

I’m not sure about me but I just peaked my oh telling him about female penis, the situation with girl guides /brownies, women’s sport and self ID to be moved into female prisons

The way that so much of this is designed to silence women or discredit feminism. The way that women's fears are not seen as important or worthy of respect. Women's protection from harm is not important. The fact that women die at men's hands at a terrifying rate is not important and feminism is somehow responsible for trans people dying at the hands of men (if we knew how to stop them, we would have done it for our own sake already). The way that icons of feminism are being silenced and their ENTIRE body of work discredited for not buying into trans ideology. The contagious nature of trans ideology, which bears so many similarities to the contagion of anorexia/other eating disorders in young women. The risks to children's health. The lack of debate. The lies about razor blades being left under rad-fem anti-trans stickers to physically harm people who are pro-trans. The manipulation of statistics to imply that all trans people are one misgendering away from suicide. The refusal to recognise that not everyone lives their lives in good faith, that there will be men who take advantage of trans rights to attack women, that this has happened already. That women cannot take the risk of being called terfs as it's so completely damaging to our careers, so our only option is silence. And, weirdly, that Mumsnet has been so dragged through the mud just for hosting our discussions. Mumsnet probably saved my sanity when I was a terrified, depressed new mother. I've seen this community do amazing things for the ill, the damaged, the hurt and the bereaved. I'll defend it to anyone for that reason, without fear.

The concept of the cotton ceiling.
It's been a series of Himalayan peaks ever since.
As for Riley J Dennis, well there's just a one-person peak transing machine.

The attack on Rose McGowan got my attention. I googled CIS and fell down a never ending rabbit hole of horror.

I’ve checked news stories, reddit, lurked on Mumsnet and Twitter.

TBH I think what most “peaked” me, bearing in mind I’ve seen some horrific things and it ain’t getting better, was the picture of Mermaids at some festival or fair promoting puppies and sweets. I had the most visceral reaction to that. I was almost physically ill.

When I was 10 I was approached by a man in the street who struck up a conversation with me. Thanks to (what I know now is female socialisation) I replied and chatted with him. Then he asked if I’d like to come and see some puppies. I agreed. After walking with him for a while (main inner city road) I started to get a sense that something was off and frantically tried to think how to get out of this situation. Eventually we reached a laneway turn off and he suggested I take a shortcut I said no. He grabbed my arm and started to drag me. I looked up and saw (at the cross street ahead) a teen age boy who lived in my unit block. I yelled his name and the guy let go of my arm and ran off. I ran crying into that teen boys arms and he comforted me and took me home.

I know I was lucky. So very, very lucky. But I learned at 10 what grooming looks like. I cannot praise enough women like Lisa Muggeridge and others who are calling this out. Once you see it you cannot unsee it. You will have a physical response (defence mechanism).

Please don’t doubt the women that are pointing out the grooming behaviour. It is very real.

It was a article in the paper where in US college sports, 2 out of the top 3 'girls' in a race were trans identifying males.

They got full athletic scholarships to college based on winning those races and if they had ran in the men's race, they wouldn't have placed high enough up the leaderboard to get the scholarships. I saw the face of the girl who came fourth (and lost the scholarship) it was grim.

Then there were to 50 jo cox women in leadership people and at least 2 of them were TIM's.

Then I saw the picture of the Labour E+D committee and they were all born white males (although 3 were now living as women).

I became full of rage. I am still full of rage. I am so so angry that women are being pushed out of opportunities by former men who can't make their mark in the male world so instead choose to colonise our precious fought for spaces.

I often think back about my first few months on Mumsnet when I used to wonder about all the feminist boards and why they were so focussed on the trans issue. I can't believe I was so naive.

Kyanite, think that's supposed to be a false parallel type argument, they're not actually claiming what they call cis women aren't women. They've taken the GC line, switched trans and cis. IF TWAW then the new version is as logical as the old so it would somehow show up the wrongness of the GC line. Completely missing the point that the whole GC argument is that TWAW is nonsense.

It is darkly amusing though that their pseudo reductio ad absurdam is actually played out in real life. I remember some trans activist on word of mouth - actually that was another thing that really peaked me - going on about how people should accept being called cis. Then as soon as they were talking about their trans friend it was all "my friend, who is a woman".

Jenner's Woman of the Year speech.

Closely followed by discovering that others may call me 'cis' woman, but I am not allowed to make assumptions about their gender because that is 'literal' violence.

I've been lurking on Feminist Chat ever since.

Yeah its real I have screen caps. That's what made me think Holy shit them radfems are right.

I was 14 and my mother was writing about a case before the courts asking for medical intervention for a 13/14 year old girl who had grown up with father and uncles and who had truly believed for years that a penis would grow at puberty. And I was confused, but also able to see that this was one of 3-4 cases of this kind to reach the high court here (AUS) and I could appreciate how awful this person who was the same age as me must be feeling at the beginning of puberty. So I knew that gender reassignment was a thing, but rare and there were lots of safeguards in place.

And then ten or so years later I have a baby, and join an international community of women with babies, and women who work with women who have babies. People who were vocal about medical violence towards women in the maternity systems. And then suddenly I was hearing about being more inclusive and being asked to call breastfeeding chest-feeding. And was told that fathers could birth their own children - and not just in movies. So I should shift my language to include pregnant men, men who gestate.

And my eldest boy loved all things pink. And long hair. And ballet. And people started asking coded questions about his gender. (That stopped only recently when his bum length hair was chopped off aged 11).

And there was the Vancouver case. And people telling me that it shouldn’t bother me that male bodied people wanted into female spaces, because my boundaries were/are unfair. And finding out that I’m not even allowed to call myself a woman because that excludes people.

And losing friends for insisting that biology matters. That records should be accurate - listing the mother as the person who gave birth and the father as the one who provided the sperm, not the other way round. Even if both parties have transitioned. That we need to have words to properly record who committed which crimes. That women born female should be allowed to ask for a female doctor/midwife/police officer and actually get one. That women in prison, elderly and disabled women who need personal care, sick women, vulnerable women should have their needs placed above the needs/desires of someone who transitions.

My peak was losing friends because I dared to say out loud that butch lesbians shouldn’t need to become straight men in order to be respected in our society. For saying that feminine boys and masculine girls are mostly just fine. Losing friends because I couldn’t understand why me asking about safeguarding and what feels to me like ‘women-face’ and the consequences of meditating for this rather than providing better counselling.

Not being able to discuss freely with people who I trusted is lonely. But this is what pushed me over the edge.

Unreal...I wondered if they were just trolling until Harrop said similar.

I have to say, I've interacted with plenty of lesbians, and none of them have ever spoken to me like that.

DJ that's dreadful.

Holy fuck. Is that for real?

(Needs vomiting smiley)

I'd had a night binging on Magdaeln Berns so was already pretty peaked bu then I had this discussion on Twitter and I really really got it. This aint a woman it's a creepy wierd guy

DJ Lippy
‏I don't think you understand human biology do you?
Women is not a gender identity. You cannot choose to be a woman. You are born a woman with a womans body. You can make cosmetic alterations to your body, take hormones, even have a 'lady brain.' It does not make you a woman.

Elesbian
Lol, don't call yourself a socialist, you'd rather side with pro-life tories than consider the FACT that you're wrong about something which you have zero experience in. How does it feel to be on the losing side? The mainstream left doesn't want your regressive views any more.

DJ Lippy
How do you know? That's a bit judgmental don't you think? Assuming someones gender like that. You don't know what you're talking about do you? The GRA is a Tory law. Teresa May fully supports these proposed changes. Also, lesbians don't have penises

Elesbian
‏I wasn't talking about that, terfs supported a Tory endorsed event which was there to attack trans people. And I prefer the term girl cock but you can think about it however you want baby 😘

DJ Lippy
it's not a girl cock it's a penis.

Elesbian
As I said, just keep imagining it 😘 maybe we should take this to dm's, it's wrong to be horny on my main

DJ Lippy
‏I wonder'ed how long it would take you to get all weird and rapey.

Elesbian
You're the one who keeps bringing up my penis, I'm just flirting. Baby I'm sorry ❤️❤️If you're going to bring up my penis, I'm going to flirt, why else would you start talking about my girl cock???

DJ Lippy
‏You started talking about your penis. I stated a scientific fact. Women don't have penis's.

Elesbian
You were the first to bring up lesbians with penises, why are you talking about genitalia if you're not flirting?

Elesbian
‏Also, stop trying to pass of your assumptions as facts, for one it's horribly unscientific and secondly, it's a terrible way to flirt

DJ Lippy
O.K I am going to say this one last time. I'm not flirting with you. Go away and stop being rapey

Elesbian
Fine, we can just be friends then my sweet little egg :3

Elesbian
Though I don't like it when my friends talk about my girl cock, sends weird signals

Elesbian
‏I would say that talking about a strangers genitals is a little rapey so maybe just cut back on that in general

That's a powerful post Undercover .

Can I suggest that you namechange ASAP and then keep posting here?

You are in a supportive place.

JB had a WIFE???

For me it was a certain high-profile Stonewall advisor claiming to ‘bring out the inner lesbian’ in straight women. Straight women who evidently fancy bearded dudes.

I used to think the increase in people adopting an unexpected gender presentation was cool because it would break down stereotypes and mean that ‘gender’ would eventually stop being a thing. Little did I know that trans ideology would be about reinforcing gender stereotypes, colonising womanhood and punishing heretics.

What peaked me was that 'trans women are women' but natal women are called 'cis women' by the trans lot.
So a natal woman can't just be called woman.

They have stolen the word woman.

Hence Posies excellent campaign/poster to reclaim this word.

Reading www.terfisaslur.com peak transed me. And made me very angry.

The men in female prison stance, I learnt about it on here and couldn't recall reading anything in the media at that time.

It hit home because at the time my female friend was in prison, she was an alcoholic with MH issues it was a non violent crime. She was/is also a rape victim.

When she was inside I didn't have have to worry about her drinking or being violently or sexually assaulted by her partner, except on reading mumsnet I realised I still did.

Final nail in coffin for me was the Green Party 'non-men' description.

No thank. I am a women.

Rhynswynd

I have seen that photo, it was circulated round twitter as a meme next to trumps face with the tag line ‘shit like this is how I got elected’