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What peak transed you

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Politelygiveszerofucks · 29/09/2018 18:57

I know this has probably been done to death, not sure if there is another thread somewhere, but briefly, what was it that peak transed you? I don't mean long philosophical essays, but was there something or a specific incident which suddenly made that lightbulb switch on?

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TerfedOff · 29/09/2018 20:18

The fact that you aren't allowed to discuss it. You're either fully and absolutely on board no questions asked or you're a massive bigot. The fact that you aren't allowed to have a different, middle ground view scared me and made me research it more.

THIS is what got me.

And me. And trying to say this on other sites and being censored. Having all my very reasonable comments deleted. I couldn't believe it. I realised if that had happened to me then somewhere there were a lot of other people who had also been censored. And the lack of any criticism was fooling others into thinking everyone was 100% supportive. Yet I knew from speaking to people in the real world that this wasn't true. Felt horrific and Orwellian and panicked me.

LeftRightCentre · 29/09/2018 20:18

Jenner

SymphonyofShadows · 29/09/2018 20:17

Caitlyn 'Bruce at the golf club' Jenner

Trinity1976 · 29/09/2018 20:17

An acquaintance of mine who is very liberal and very pro gay rights, started posting a lot of articles related to forthcoming changes to the GRA, from a critical perspective. I started getting a bit interested and watched a video of my acquaintance giving a talk about transwomen in women's sports. Then the whole Aimee Challenor thing kicked off and I became aware of the horrible verbal abuse by TRAs on Twitter towards 'dissenters' and the cotton ceiling thing.

Jamieandwordswo · 29/09/2018 20:15

Walking into a gender neutral changing room (formerly the Ladies) and there being a guy in there with his dick out.

ChilliJamandAvocado · 29/09/2018 20:12

Owen Jones & cunnilingusgate.

The juxtaposition of Jenner & Dolezal.

Tara Hudson getting sent down to a women's jail.

Wish I could remember which issues started to tilt me pre 2015... I know there was the case with Vancouver rape counselling centre being sued for not employing a transwoman & Michfest.

PapaSmurfsSpareHat · 29/09/2018 20:10

Periods.

I feel so sorry for “ordinary” trans people, who aren’t perverts or misogynists. They are being thrown to the wolves, while the oddballs attack women and girls.

enrichedatthegulags · 29/09/2018 20:09

Ive always considered myself a feminist.
I remember going off Germaine Greer when I read her views on trans issues. I remember telling my mum (old school 60s feminist) how outdated Greer was (I'm sure she rolled her eyes)
I actually really applauded Jenner when she came out. I bought the vogue issue and gathered with my friends to drink wine and watch that big interview.

Learning that a 19 year old won women's officer made me think "eeerm my 3 year old has more experience as a female than this women's officer." I had previously been a women's officer (in another organisation) and spoke with victims after a spate of local rapes. I thought about if I'd feel comfortable talking about a rape with a penis-haver.

What really did it for me was reading FWR on here and realising that, being a woman was being reduced, and being defined by THE WORST gender stereotypes possible. Oh you like dresses and pink and glitter and unicorns? Oh yes you ARE a woman. People think they are being so modern and woke, but they are just peddling the most old fashioned, outdated ideas going.

Bunce winning that award was the final nail in the coffin.

Everything else I've seen since I started to actually look and examine has just blown my mind, (thanks, you lot)

CaptainKirkssparetupee · 29/09/2018 20:07

The fact that you aren't allowed to discuss it. You're either fully and absolutely on board no questions asked or you're a massive bigot. The fact that you aren't allowed to have a different, middle ground view scared me and made me research it more.

THIS is what got me.

LemonSqueezy0 · 29/09/2018 20:06

The fact that you aren't allowed to discuss it. You're either fully and absolutely on board no questions asked or you're a massive bigot. The fact that you aren't allowed to have a different, middle ground view scared me and made me research it more. Constantly being called TERF fucked me right off and it's all come from there.

lovetherisingsun · 29/09/2018 20:05

Was absolutely gutted for them.

lovetherisingsun · 29/09/2018 20:04

The look on the two young girl sprinters faces when they lost out first and second place to BOTH the newly transfered transgirls, who had just come from the youth male sprinting team, to be put on the girls youth sprinting team. The transgirls both won easily ahead of the girls. The girls, who would;ve come first and second, just looked utterly, utterly defeated. They just shrugged as if to say, what's the point? All that training all that year, for what?

TheMostBeautifulDogInTheWorld · 29/09/2018 20:02

I don't know yet.

All the while women are under attack, I''ll just keep getting angrier.

deepwatersolo · 29/09/2018 20:00

The silencing and denounciation of Prof. Zucker and Prof. Blanchard and pretty much any scientist or study, without any counter argument but absurd hysterics, finished off by (self described autogynephile) scientist Anne Lawrence‘s Account of narcissistic rage in autogynephiles.

PhannyMcNee · 29/09/2018 20:00

CBB. The behaviour and attitude of India Willoughby compared to that of Courtney/Shane peaked me.

To be fair, I was probably at the Hillary Step stage anyway but that CBB in 'The Year of The Woman' got me to the peak.

CaptainKirkssparetupee · 29/09/2018 19:59

Lot's of little things.

Lots of them.

KaiserThiefs · 29/09/2018 19:55

Ahem transwomen not tramadol! And HOW was this allowed not go!

Elemental · 29/09/2018 19:54

This news story - www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-37391807

I was baffled - calling them the first transwoman fine but I couldn’t understand why he was suddenly the first actual woman because he’d taken hormones for the grand total of one month. And realising suddenly the number of “firsts” that would bypass actual women in areas where they still weren’t allowed to be.

KaiserThiefs · 29/09/2018 19:52

I was the usual ' be nice, poor things, they're harmless then I heard that tramadol an were able to legally change their birth certificate and I thought, "yeah, but we all know they're not real women so go is this allowed? It's not right" but at the time it was just a few people so my female socialization kicked in.

I've tried to find the thread on MN that peaktransed me but it's been lost in deletions, it was years ago and mentioned that someone had heard that in a woman's meeting in New York a trans women attended and she complained that the topic they were talking about excluded her and her 'woman's experiences.

I know the peaks were bigger and more shocking from there on 8n but that was the moment that I realised that there was no gratitude, no understanding that they were in our spaces as a favour. They thought it their right.

Wrong.

heresyandwitchcraft · 29/09/2018 19:51

The media including Jenner got me thinking about this, and spurred my interest in finding our more & deep reflection. Then saw the slur T*RF and the abuse hurled at women who had similar concerns as me. The wholesale biology denial. Danielle Muscato. The cotton ceiling. The fact that nobody could ever explain WHY "trans women are women" in any kind of satisfactory, logical, coherent way.
Thanks to Magdalen Berns, Feminist Current, gender-critical Twitter, Rebecca Reilly-Cooper and Janice Turner I at least kept some sense that I wasn't just going completely insane.
Found MN very late, but it felt like coming home.

SPOFS · 29/09/2018 19:49

Caitlyn Jenner winning "woman of the year" Angry

HermioneWeasley · 29/09/2018 19:49

Germaine Greer being no platformed for saying that trans women aren’t the same as women. I was puzzled because despite considering myself a good trans ally, I’d never come across the claim that TW are literally the same as women before.

Since then it’s being continuous peaking!

borntobequiet · 29/09/2018 19:47

The idea of no debate.
This is a cult concept.

InfiniteCurve · 29/09/2018 19:45

Many things, but my stand out moment of sadness was the fuss around the first woman to be a frontline soldier in the British Army.
This is a person who was already in a frontline regiment having enlisted as a man and then transitioned,
It just made me so sad. And the army got to be all right on, hey look at us, we have s woman in this role now.
Just Sad

ItsAllGoingToBeFine · 29/09/2018 19:42

I have never believed that TWAW, but what really pissed me off was the realisation that actually I was required to believe unquestioningly or be a horrible bigot.

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