Dr Nic FairPlay For Women on Victoria Derbyshire 10.15

To be fair to the interviewer (who I think is Joanna Gosling standing in for Victoria Derbyshire), she said in her intro that the BBC had invited on representatives from various organisations to give the opposing view and nobody had agreed to come. So she was going to do her best to give the opposing view herself.

(i haven't seen it yet, but I assume being her show she has the most input into direction even if the interviewer wasn't her today)

Piper great post.

Also yes how is Lily going to feel if she changes her mind? She's on a one-way ticket now.

This interview has not been good for my blood pressure!

At some point, Vic Derbyshire is gonna remove her blinkers, and she's gonna feel darn silly at buying into it for so long.

But there may well be some.

That are being considered a small price to pay.

Just caught the last few minutes. Well done Nic and thank you.

Interviewer (was not actually Victoria today - don't know who) was horribly biased. Rebutted every point, even the NSPCC's own stats saying that girl children are at risk from boy children, with 'but what about the poor trans kids' by which she of ocurs emeant BOYS, not the girls who will be managed out.

Girls "la la la la" can't hear you. But the poor trans male children (boys) (FFS sake this contorted language)

Very angry with the BBC.

I was watching on mute with subtitles at work. Thought Nicola came across as really calm and clear.

Agreed Piper.

The interviewer (that’s not Vic D is it?) wasn’t giving an inch. Good job Nic is so considered in her response.

But it really did miss a massive point.

It probably unlikely that there will be large numbers of sexual assaults. But there may well be some.

Girls dignity, shared experiences which come from biology alone, ability to be together with their sex, form those relationships which as women are so very important, space to shine and grow is so, so important. And this is being taken away.

It was enraging that VD kept bringing it back to the 7 year old. It's not about this one child. It's about all the girls who are entitled to a female only experience.

Dr Nic did really well. That was such a hostile interview.

The 10 year old male may well have not entered puberty yet - perfectly normal for a male - but female peers will have began their periods by this age (as I had).

I did totally agree with the interviewee's point that it's sad that a male child of SEVEN is told that they must be a girl as they don't conform to male stereotypes.

I hope they carry on not turning up. I really do.

Jesus, it's like once you've heard the arguments once you have heard them a million times. Come up with something new!

The only weapons they have is pulling the heart strings with sob stories and playing on women's socialised skills of trying to be fair and inclusive.

In reality, how is a Guide leader supposed to know who is really trans? It becomes more of a problem as the children get older. If the Guide leader excludes someone who they do not think is trans on a case by case basis, are they open to discipline/being sued by activists? You would have to write a thorough report that would stand up in court to cover your back each time. What about boys who are boys, but prefer doing the 'girl stuff' with the girls - are they excluded?

I sometimes wonder what drugs they're all on at the BBC.
"What do you mean they're male? The don't identify as female!"

Dr Nic did well. Was a tough interview though. There seem to he an overwhelming reluctance on the interviewers behalf to admit they had male bodies. In fact it was so obviously avoiding the truth that she was starting to look a bit stupid tbh. I don't think she really believed it herself

The blind "but they are a girl!" rhetoric is so unintelligent. You just come across as stupid if you fail to acknowledge basic biology.

Nic does a wonderful job at encouraging inclusion and fairness while considering safeguards. Why is there no middle ground on this?

I was so angry about the uncritical way the TRA argument was presented by the journalist. If they don't show up, that's their issue, it's not up to the BBC to then become their mouthpiece. Arguing there was no evidence that trans teens were a risk because of their identity. What utter codswallop!

Clearly, after Harrop's fail and Susie Green not winning over Piers Morgan, they are licking their wounds and have decided that #NoDebate is the best defence.

Interesting that none of the trans rights groups were available to defend their position. Is this part of their #NoDebate policy? Or were they afraid that their arguments don't stand up to scrutiny?

Like bashing your head off a brick wall.

Well done Nic.

There’s a massive difference between a 7 yo trans girl in Brownies and a 15 yo trans girl in Guides.

GGUK now need to change their terms to a ‘mixed sex’ organisation.

I felt quite cross watching this as she focused solely on the potential for sexual abuse and the "risk".

I'm the mum of a Guide and for me it's not about that. It's about the fact that as a 13 year old my daughter is mortified about her changing body. She is exceptionally self-conscious and coming to terms with things like body hair and periods. If there were a transgirl in her Guides and going to camp, she wouldn't want to go. Not because she'd be afraid that the transgirl would leap on her and rape her, but because Guides is her safe space with women and girls only.

She has two brothers - she knows what boys are about and values that two hours a week when she's with girls only.

Why should the rights of my child (and all the other girls in the troop) to have that girl-only environment, sleep in tents with girls, shower with girls or do activities with girls be thrown out of the window to accommodate one other child who has the options of joining Scouts or another similar group? Doesn't she matter?

Quick summary.

"Male children and teenagers are a risk to their female peers"
"But they feel like females!"
"But they're still male"
"But why would they be a risk if they feel like girls?!"
"Because they're still male"
"But they identify as girls"
"They're still male"

Parents have the right to be able to make their own choices for their children.

Parents taking that choice away and that’s wrong.

Mermaids and Stonewall refused because engaging in the debate suggests trans children are a risk which is not the case.