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Suing the NHS to gain access to ivf treatment

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AliceIdentifiesasaCamel · 27/09/2018 08:18

Supposed to be getting ready to do school run, so dropping this here, will return later. When I can organise my words into something coherent

news.sky.com/story/nhs-sued-over-transgender-fertility-treatment-11509918

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SilverBirchTree · 27/09/2018 09:23

Hi Aspie

My point is that MEN who identify as MEN choose to perpetuate it.

I think this trans stuff has highjacked the attention that should go to real feminist issues.

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AliceIdentifiesasaCamel · 27/09/2018 09:06

I think the first half of SilverBirch's post sums this up. The NHS is under a massive strain. Every winter or cannot vote. People are dying because they cannot access the treatment they need. Families are starving because the pay gap is getting wider, kids are not receiving an education because the schools are woefully underfunded.

So why the bloody hell is the NHS funding the damaging and mutilating treatment that is being requested by people who believe it will help their MH? Unnecessary medical treatment that causes all sorts of horrific side effects, one of which (and a binding obvious one) is infertility. Why should the NHS then provide IVF etc to people who have chosen to damage their infertility when women, natal women, cannot access it on the NHS?

It's on a par with expecting the NHS to pay to have that dodgy tattoo done on their gap year in some dodgy part of the world removed.

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Pandoraslastchance · 27/09/2018 09:04

Surely becoming infertile is a side effect of the drugs that they willingly chose to take which will have been explained to them and written in the drugs leaflet under side effects.

Fucks sake you cannot have your cake and eat it.

AspieAndProud · 27/09/2018 09:00

What about the strain that cis male perpetrated violence against women puts on the NHS? Whatever this would cost would be cents on the dollar compared to that.

No woman choses to be abused.

What about the NHS dollars spent treating women who have been raped by cis males?

No woman choses to be raped.

What about the pay gap leading to women being too poor to eat well, heat their homes, or take preventive steps to prevent illness. What pressure does that put on the public health system?

No woman choses any of these things.

You seem to have difficulty with the concept of consent.

ElectricMonkey · 27/09/2018 08:58

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SilverBirchTree · 27/09/2018 08:56

What about the strain that cis male perpetrated violence against women puts on the NHS? Whatever this would cost would be cents on the dollar compared to that.

What about the NHS dollars spent treating women who have been raped by cis males?

What about the pay gap leading to women being too poor to eat well, heat their homes, or take preventive steps to prevent illness. What pressure does that put on the public health system?

Its a waste of this forum to be so focused on transgendered people, as though they are the cause of all women's problems.

The problem is the fucking men in pants, I bloody well promise you.

Enough of this crap. I am so over it. I have always called myself a feminist but I am deeply ashamed by some of the small minded, mean and bigoted pearl clutching I see in this forum lately.

OvaHere · 27/09/2018 08:44

I don't in theory object to them freezing sperm and eggs prior to treatment but I don't believe the NHS has an obligation to foot the bill for the consequences of elective treatment.

Of course this argument is going to end up being the usual we will all kill ourselves if we don't get what we want.

Smurfybubbles · 27/09/2018 08:34

Where I live women are offered zero free rounds of IVF on the NHS now. Women who are infertile through no choice of their own, this is going to anger a lot of people.

VickyEadie · 27/09/2018 08:31

Listened to an article on the radio the other day about the infected blood scandal that gave a lot of people HIV, Hep C, etc in the 80s - some of them still can't get appropriate treatment and many have died as a result. The NHS has scarce resources.

failingatlife · 27/09/2018 08:28

Just saw this on Sky & came straight here to see if anyone had started a thread.

This is awful. The NHS will be destroyed under the strain of GRS, hormones, fertility treatment etc then the inevitable law suits from all the detransitioning kids in the future.